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  "thread": {
    "id": 560,
    "subject": "plus building fusion reactors",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1998-10-30T15:41:52+00:00",
    "last": "1998-10-30T16:07:53+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0009-0014@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Mark Millman",
        "address": "mark_millman at hmco.com"
      },
      "date": "1998-10-30T15:41:52+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) plus building fusion reactors",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "On 30 October 1998 at 4:46 am GMT, Greg Neyman wrote:\nMatthew, you bring an interesting point, about the fact that\nchems should be able to build their children, ergo there\nshould be fusion reactor parts available, especially con-\nsidering that chems multiplied a lot less than Pas expected\n(according to Hammerstone) ... so why was it that people\ncouldn't build these reactors ... maybe they didn't know how,\nbut they could ask chems ... they have the plans hardwired\nin them ..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "But we're also told that chems have to go through a lot of trial\nand error to build their children, and that each chem has only\n-half- the knowledge necessary to build children; i.e., no \"clon-\ning\" for chems--they have to be married (or at least in a rela-\ntionship) to reproduce.  So it might not be so easy just to ask\nchems how to build convenient little fusion plants.\n\nAlso, the Ayuntamiento's chemical duplicates, which I think\nwe can all agree aren't quite kosher, must use chems' fusion\npowerpacks.  This suggests to me that not only should the\nchems' inherent reproductive rate be lower than that of bios\n(something mentioned in the books), it's possible it was\nslowed even further because they couldn't find the necessary\nparts to build their children, because all the parts have been\nused up by black mechanics' circles and the like.  The fact\nthat we haven't seen a lot of obvious fusion packs out in the\nWhorl is far from a suggestion that they're not actually out\nthere.  The Lake Limna sub is a good candidate for fusion\npower, as are the Flyers' powerpacks (though those are\nclearly legitimate).\n\nNacre\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0009-0015@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "1998-10-30T16:07:53+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) plus building fusion reactors",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0009-0014@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "On Fri, 30 Oct 1998, Mark Millman wrote:\nOn 30 October 1998 at 4:46 am GMT, Greg Neyman wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "Matthew, you bring an interesting point, about the fact that\nchems should be able to build their children, ergo there\nshould be fusion reactor parts available, especially con-\nsidering that chems multiplied a lot less than Pas expected\n(according to Hammerstone) ... so why was it that people\ncouldn't build these reactors ... maybe they didn't know how,\nbut they could ask chems ... they have the plans hardwired\nin them ..."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "But we're also told that chems have to go through a lot of trial\nand error to build their children, and that each chem has only\n-half- the knowledge necessary to build children; i.e., no \"clon-\ning\" for chems--they have to be married (or at least in a rela-\ntionship) to reproduce.  So it might not be so easy just to ask\nchems how to build convenient little fusion plants."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Perhaps the program for reproduction is not consciously accessible to the\nchems.  Try asking a computer that runs an automobile factory how to make\na combustion engine.  A chem may not know how to make a fusion reactor any\nmore than I know how to make a human stomach (other than by making a baby\nwith my wife, that is). \n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
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