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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 569, "subject": "Bye Silk! ... fusion ... and Escape from the Airship ...", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "1998-11-02T19:33:54+00:00", "last": "1998-11-03T13:58:51+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Greg Neyman", "address": "greg.neyman at gte.net" }, "date": "1998-11-02T19:33:54+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Bye Silk! ... fusion ... and Escape from the Airship ...", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": " Alga- I think (sniff) that's that last anyone will ever see of Silk -n-\nHy ... Wolfe foreshadowed to that much when silk was on the airship deck ...\nSilk said that if he fell at that moment, he wouldn't really die, not in the\neyes of the people on the airship ... he'd just disappear, and who's to say\nwhat that means ... anyhoop, that DID happen at the end of exodus ... silk\njust DISAPPEARED ... an enigmatic ending for an enigmatic hero\n BTW - silk as the \"positively beautiful man?\" ... I can see that\nhappening.\n\n Rostrum - Hammerstone said in Lake that making a child takes at least\ntwo years, and maybe as long as twenty (as they get the parts, presumably)\n... does the couple enter the \"love-trance\" for twenty years? there's no\nway they could be productive citizens and produce children simultaneously if\nthat were the case.\n And even if it was the case, I'd imagine that black mechanics would be\nable to find a way to circumvent this.\n BTW good call on that water vapor bit ... I'm kicking myself for not\nhaving thought of it.\n\n Alex ... thanks for respond RE: Quetzal ... it's nice to know that I\ndidn't miss something that important ...\n\n New question: Anyone else shaking their heads at the way Silk escaped\nthe airship cell ... didn't it seem too easy? I just can't believe that the\nTrivis would be caught with their skirts down like that. Input would be\nappreciated, as always.\n\n /\\/\\ Greg Neyman Greg.Neyman at gte.net\n___/____\\___ http://www.trailerpark.com/siesta/thehat/\n |HE HA|\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alex David Groce", "address": "adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu" }, "date": "1998-11-03T12:39:20+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Bye Silk! ... fusion ... and Escape from the Airship ...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Greg Neyman wrote:\n Alga- I think (sniff) that's that last anyone will ever see of Silk -n-\nHy ... Wolfe foreshadowed to that much when silk was on the airship deck ...\nSilk said that if he fell at that moment, he wouldn't really die, not in the\neyes of the people on the airship ... he'd just disappear, and who's to say\nwhat that means ... anyhoop, that DID happen at the end of exodus ... silk\njust DISAPPEARED ... an enigmatic ending for an enigmatic hero\n BTW - silk as the \"positively beautiful man?\" ... I can see that\nhappening." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Yes, it's a nicely evocative connection. I'm not sure Silk is gone--it's\npossible, and the airship suggests it, but it seems at least possible that when\nHorn & co. head back to the Whorl, they will indeed find Patera Silk. But I do\nagree it's at not unlikely we've seen the last of him." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": " Rostrum - Hammerstone said in Lake that making a child takes at least\ntwo years, and maybe as long as twenty (as they get the parts, presumably)\n.... does the couple enter the \"love-trance\" for twenty years? there's no\nway they could be productive citizens and produce children simultaneously if\nthat were the case.\n And even if it was the case, I'd imagine that black mechanics would be\nable to find a way to circumvent this.\n BTW good call on that water vapor bit ... I'm kicking myself for not\nhaving thought of it." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Well, it wouldn't have to be a \"trance\"--humans don't necessarily go into a\ntrance to make a kid, but don't have conscious access to the workings of it.\nBut it does seem odd the black mechanics can't get at this if they can mess\nwith programming as much as they seem to be able to (maybe Pas had this a lot\nbetter guarded, especially the fusion pack part--as that would seem to be the\nreally dangerous part.)" }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.\" - John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (adgroce at eos.ncsu.edu)\nSenior (Computer Science/Multidisciplinary Studies in Technology & Fiction)\n'98-99 NCSU AITP Student Chapter President\n608 Charleston Road, Apt. 1E (919)-233-7366\nhttp://www4.ncsu.edu/~adgroce\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "1998-11-03T13:58:51+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Bye Silk! ... fusion ... and Escape from the Airship ...", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On Tue, 3 Nov 1998, Alex David Groce wrote:\nYes, it's a nicely evocative connection. I'm not sure Silk is gone--it's\npossible, and the airship suggests it, but it seems at least possible that when\nHorn & co. head back to the Whorl, they will indeed find Patera Silk. But I do\nagree it's at not unlikely we've seen the last of him." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I predict that if we see Silk at all in the Short Sun books, it will be as\npart of a Silk/Pas amalgram residing in Mainframe.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }