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  "thread": {
    "id": 599,
    "subject": "GenStarShips and their Colonies",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-04-29T10:01:51+00:00",
    "last": "1999-04-29T12:58:14+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0009-0100@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at sirius.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-29T10:01:51+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) GenStarShips and their Colonies",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Long, long ago, we were chatting about generation starship stories and\nstories about the colonies that result.\n\nBecause the subject matters are so big, the two types are not usually\ncombined. The ship stories are usually about: what stage of the journey are\nwe in; \"journey, what journey?\"; etc.\n\n=GENERATION STARSHIPS=\nORPHANS OF THE SKY by Heinlein\nCAPTIVE UNIVERSE by Harry Harrison\nNON-STOP by Aldis\nTHE STAR SEEKERS by Lesser\nPHOENIX WITHOUT ASHES by Bryant (based on Ellison)\nTHE BOOK OF THE LONG SUN by Wolfe\netc.\n\n=COLONIES FROM GENERATION STARSHIPS=\nGIFT FROM EARTH by Niven (the caste system, with crew on top)\nTHE PROMISED LAND by Stableford (I don't remember this one)\nTHE EYE OF THE HERON by Le Guin (well, they are isolated . . . )\netc.\n\nStableford wrote a series of novels (the Daedelus series) about\nrecontacting isolated colony worlds.  While there is ftl involved, still,\nthe isolation of the colonies makes them quite similar to what I'm talking\nabout (what =am= I talking about?  I'm actually not =talking=, I'm keying .\n. . well, to tell the truth I am talking, and too loudly.  The neighbors\nmight call the police.).\n\nAside: does anybody know of a book or books similar to the Daedelus series?\n\nAnyway, as an experiment while we wait for the Short Sun books to\nmaterialize into our hot little hands, I was toying with the idea of\nlooking at all the generation starship stories that we collectively know,\nand if consider them all as case studies, come up with a flowchart or\nlikely outcome model for any colony ship setting out today.\n\nLikewise, a study of colonies that have been established by generation\nstarships (and this includes suspended animation or \"sleeper\" ships--as was\nthe case in GIFT FROM EARTH, iirc).\n\n=mantis=\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0009-0101@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Patterson",
        "address": "rpatterson at promus.com"
      },
      "date": "1999-04-29T12:58:14+00:00",
      "subject": "RE: (whorl) GenStarShips and their Colonies",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0009-0100@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
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          "text": "Don't forget\n\nSamuel R. Delany: THE BALLAD OF BETA 2\n\nThis would fall sorta into the \"Colonies from \" category, though like Long\nSun, the colonists still live in the ship.\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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      ]
    }
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