# Digest whorl.v010.n005 *The Whorl list — 1 messages, 1 voices, 04 Jul 1999* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Alice Turner *04 Jul 1999, 08:53* Well now, Nigel, let's not get carried away. -Ozma of Oz-, published in the early years of this century (and a book we're pretty sure Wolfe has read, given "Eyeflash"), has an underlake bubble-dome city operated by a sort of hydraulic lift; it had little submarines too. And at least one of the James Bond movies had something of the sort, complete with baddies, also with submarines (well, you'd need 'em , wouldn't you?). And have you seen the new Star Wars movie? A whole underlake city, and drop-dead spectacular. I was > interested to note, however, that the story contains a set of baddies who > work from a secret underwater base hidden in the depths of an inland lake. > Their hide-out even contains a submarine pen and a submarine to take the > baddies between the lake shore and their submerged headquarters. > > Hm... > > Remind you of anything Lupine? > > Surely not, it can't be! > > I admit that the idea of "Tintin and the Lake of Sharks" as a possible > source for "Lake of the Long Sun" is pretty far-fetched, but I thought I'd > just give it a Whorl... *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ---