# Codename: Alex *The Whorl list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 01 Oct 1999* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Alice Turner *01 Oct 1999, 19:07* > No spoilers for after what Alga's read, btw. You are a gent, Alex, but I suggest that we take off the gloves. People who haven't read the new book simply shouldn't download the Whorl list for a while; they can cavort around in Urth if they need a Wolfe fix. We need to talk! So say I after blowing off most of my day to steam all the way through it. I will go back more carefully, but I was carried away. What Alex was protecting me from was my shock at the live burial of the inhumi, which seemed a truly inhumane death--of course I didn't know at that point what would happen later in the plot. And what I suggest to you at *this* point is that this is Krait's secret, simply that, imprisoned and deprived of food and stimulus, the inhumi can survive for a long time in a kind of shriveled hibernation from which they quickly recover when given fresh blood. We have to assume that Horn almost improbably early on realizes that he can use this knowledge to his strategic advantage--but why not assume this? Horn seems to have a natural military bent, like Mint and Severian. (Well, I guess Mint's is not entirely natural.) He is quick and decisive and drives a hard but fair bargain with the inhumi when the time comes. Is it so illogical to think that he foresees how he can do this? After all, he is perhaps the one person on Blue who can contemplate an inhumu without complete involuntary horror. David Lebling's funny blurb is also true. -alga *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. --- ### Alex David Groce *01 Oct 1999, 19:46 · follows Alice Turner* But if this is Krait's big nasty secret, how does it reduce the inhumi to (inexact quote, I'm at work) "little more than animals." If the secret strategic victory over the inhumi is to bury them all alive, I think both Horn and the inhumi are vastly over-reacting to the threat! The inhumi pulled out of the ground are back to their normal nasty selves after a quick fix of cow, and certainly don't seem reduced to animal level. Mind you, I don't think my "intelligent blood" thing is the exact secret either--it has to be something people could DO to the inhumi (don't let them drink blood? that's already the goal... force feed them stupid animals? also unlikely). I think the burial is MORE inhumane now, if the inhumi (as seems) are somehow conscious for a long period/forever. Horn's approach to this is interesting, in that it's Silk-like, since he doesn't let them stay that way which would be monstrous, but (very vaguely) Machiavellian in that he USES his solution to this moral problem to win his war. The intelligent blood idea does present the cruel vision of species that, in order to remain morally and intellectually aware, must do something morally repulsive. Essentially, to have any will, they must exercise their will in a malevolent way. "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 ``` Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` ---