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    "id": 699,
    "subject": "Paul, Silk, and Horn (and Moses)",
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    "first": "1999-10-18T12:54:37+00:00",
    "last": "1999-10-18T12:54:37+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0133@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu"
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      "date": "1999-10-18T12:54:37+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Paul, Silk, and Horn (and Moses)",
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          "text": "Here we go:\n\nGalatians 4:13-15:"
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          "text": "13 As you know, it was because of an illness that I first preached the gospel \nto you. 14 Even though my illness was a trial to you, you did not treat me \nwith contempt or scorn. Instead, you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God,\nas if I were Christ Jesus himself. 15 What has happened to all your joy? I can\ntestify that, if you could have done so, you would have torn out your eyes and\ngiven them to me.\n--\n\nNow, it seems likely that with the set-up of Maytera Marble's blindness and\nHorn's quest for her, and the fact that \"Horn\" in his new body is missing an\neye, we will probably have an example of someone tearing out their eyes and\ngiving them to someone else coming up in the future of SHORT SUN.\n\nIt seems like this is a reversal of the passage above, where 15 is what has\ngiven rise to the suggestion that Paul's illness was some kind of vision \nproblem.  Horn is the St. Paul figure here, and is probably going to give up\nhis own eye for Marble's eye at some point.  On the other hand, if it is Silk's\nbody that Horn is in, perhaps this happened before Horn came to inhabit Silk's\nbody, and so we have a literal case of the Paul figure taking on the sufferings\nof the Christ figure.  And then there's the Odin conflation floating around all\nof this...\n\n\nvizcacha brings up the Moses analogy also, which suggests that Silk himself\nmay not ever set foot on Blue.  Moses, of course, died before he reached the\nPromised Land, but came back later at the transfiguration in the Gospels.  Is\nHorn the means by which Silk is setting foot on Blue only after death?\n\n\n\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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