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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 70, "subject": "Manteions, Kypris, Hy", "messages": 1, "voices": 1, "first": "1997-02-04T17:49:44+00:00", "last": "1997-02-04T17:49:44+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Alice Turner", "address": "al at interport.net" }, "date": "1997-02-04T17:49:44+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Manteions, Kypris, Hy", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Having done the list of theophanies and possessions (that was\nme--algae--not mantis, though I think it would be nice if mantis emended\nthe list with that fine timeline he's cooking up), I now have a lot to\nanswer for, so I'll do it point by point.\n\nMantis, when Chenille \"comes to\"---when Kypris leaves her, that is---she is\nsitting in a manteion staring at a screen. She thinks she's still in Sun\nSt. and is confused to find out, when she exits, that she's in Limna.\nStands to reason Limna has a manteion--we don't have to see it." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "But wait: Kypris (forgive the misspelling of Cyprus before!) cares\nabout graffiti?! She reads it? Where, when? Inquiring minds want\nto know! " }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "By the time Kypris calls Silk in after the exorcism, buzz about him is all\nover Viron. Why do you think she calls him? Hy? I don't think so. (As you\nknow, I think Hy is hired by Crane to seduce Silk---at this point he's\nhardly aware of him.) If you look at the theophany list you'll see that\nKypris becomes quite political and this is where she starts." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "And later, re: ghostpike; so you are saying that Quetzal can't see in\nthe dark under the nightland sky? Fair enough . . . so when he\ndisappears in Blood's much darker cellar, we should be impressed that\nhe doesn't stumble?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Nah, he can see...Silk probably sleeps on his stomach. And Q wouldn't want\nhim to sit up suddenly to find His Cognizance bending over him to flip him\nover. I'm sticking with my theory, which I've already iterated.\n\n And no, I don't buy your Osiris reading, except in the way of vague\nreference and general mythic richness. I'm sticking with my computer\nreading. But I have no doubt that Kypris and Tartaros could fix up \"Pas\" to\nincorporate Silk, both cosmetically and neurally.\n\nAnd I don't agree with your Hy reading either, though you make a good case\n(actually, fellow Virons, his case is better than he's given you here---he\ngoes on to list some physical curiosities...go to it, mantis). Hy is one of\nour favorites, and I have my own scenario for her, which I'll go into in a\nseparate message (not today)---mostly I think she has no morals at all.\n\n Dave, Kypris tells us (when she summons Silk) that she was in Hy at\nBlood's that night, and that she does this from time to time (presumably\nfor sex) for fun but that now that Hy is 23 (too old, I guess) she'll soon\nstop. (I think that the reason Hy and Chenille are so easily possessed is\nthat they are both addicted to rust.) And mantis can give you some\ninteresting speculation on Kypris-Hy, that I don't buy. My position is that\nHy is a less interesting character if she is completely controlled by\nKypris.\n\nHy is definitely an informer for Crane. (So is Chenille, but not so\nsuccessfully.) He tells Silk so. But I think she's for sale, body and/or\nsoul, to anyone with money. And I am sure that she was paid to write that\nletter and throw herself at Silk. I'm 99% sure that Crane paid her, but\nthere's a slight possibility that it was Blood.\n\nWhy does Auk/Tartaros kidnap Hy? That's a puzzler. My feeling is that it's\nto keep her from seducing Silk (he will then lose his interpretive powers)\nbecause Tartaros needs the trusted Silk to interpret the \"Pas\" program he's\nputting together to tell Virons to get out of the Whorl. \n\nI think you're right on with the mother/adoptive mother (the \"beautiful\"\none). Kypris had nothin' to do with it.\n\nI also think you're right on about the motivation of the gods in killing\nPas (they didn't want the party to end). When I say that Pas is a construct\nof Tartaros and Kypris (actually I don't think Kypris does any\nconstruction), I don't mean that they couldn't put him together again.\nTartaros could but he doesn't. It's a crippled program (Pas is much too\npowerful and scary to really reconstruct) with one purpose: to deliver\nTartaros's message: Get off the Whorl---don't forget that Tartaros can't do\na theophany by himself. The \"piece of Pas\" that Jerboa was carrying goes\nright into Auk via Tartaros. Pas has nothin' to do with it.\n\nRe appreciation: When I first began Long Sun, I couldn't get rid of the\nfeeling that I was reading a YA novel--this persisted through at least two\nbooks. But, as you say, there are layers!\n\nOh, and like Dave and Henry, I think the Whorl has been rotating the\nBlue-Green system for quite a while, maybe as much as 50 years. But I don't\nsee how Quetzal could have got aboard it---I think he's been there from the\ngit-go overlooking the Cargo to the point where he's gotten rather fond of\nit. Still it's a possibility. He's only been Prolocutor for 33 years.\n\nTalon, nice sleuthing on Horn!\n\n-algae-\n\n\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] } ] }