{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/709", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 709, "subject": "Digest whorl.v010.n043", "messages": 1, "voices": 1, "first": "1999-11-05T07:48:27+00:00", "last": "1999-11-05T07:48:27+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Roberson, John", "address": "robersonj at bek.com" }, "date": "1999-11-05T07:48:27+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) RE: Digest whorl.v010.n043", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Fellow Wolfeans:\n\nI'm new to the Whorl and would like to discuss OBW, but don't know whether\neveryone has read it yet, so SPOILER WARNING regarding the questions below.\n\nOnce again, Gene is playing identity games with us regarding Horn. Yes,\nhe's definitely been back to the Long Sun Whorl after being hijacked to\nGreen and my impression is, as a reminiescing narrator from the future,\nlooking back, he'll lead us through his adventures on Green in IGJ and then\nwrite about his one-and-only trip back to the Whorl in RTTW. He's dropped\nthe hint in OBW to the effect that a surgeon talked about \"Pas-silk\",\nintimating that Silk's physical body had Pas' (Typhon program's) head\ngrafted on it in the \"real world\" during his stay on the LS Whorl. He also\nmentioned that he was pretty sure Silk was scanned into mainframe and\npotentially merged with the Pas program as Kypris suggested, in the \"virtual\nworld\". Horn also affects Silk's attitudes frequently, dresses in augur's\nrobes, and is apparently mistaken for Silk by Oreb and occasionally refers\nto himself as though he's Silk. So...I get the dfistinct impression that,\nunable to leave the LS Whorl, the Silk program had Horn look into the\nmonitor at it and transferred some of Silk's essence into him, \"possessing\"\nhim to the extent of giving him some of Silk's identity. This would be the\nonly way Silk could provide New Viron and Blue with his leadership (or the\nleadership of someone possessing---no pun intended---similar abilities)\nwithout actually leaving the LS Whorl. This would explain Horn's\nreferences.\n\tAlso, does anyone care to speculate about the secret of the inhumu?\nIt would seem that their chameleon-like body-shaping goes even further to\nimitating the intelligence and anger/hatred of man for them and other men.\nThere is a passage to the effect that if humans would only be more caring,\nthen the inhumu would revert back to beasts in the jungle. Also, Krait\nbecomes more like Horn and Horn's son as Horn begins relating to him as his\nson by proxy. If people only loved one another, does this mean that inhumu\nwould be unable to prey on them and eventually slink back into the jungles\nof Green? It would appear in the Long Sun series that Quetzal absorbed some\nof the benign aspects of their religion while masquerading as a human and\nProlocutor.\n\n\tAnyway, interested in your comments. If we're still adopting\nVironese names, call me Ram." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "----------\nFrom:\nwhorl-errors at lists.best.com[SMTP:whorl-errors at lists.best.com]\nReply To: \twhorl at lists.best.com\nSent: \tWednesday, November 03, 1999 2:10 PM\nTo: \twhorl at lists.best.com\nSubject: \tDigest whorl.v010.n043\n\n\n-------------- BEGIN whorl.v010.n043 --------------\n\n 001 - =?iso-8859-1?q?Nicholas=2 - Clute's review of OBW\n 002 - \"William H. Ansley\" \nSubject: Clute's review of OBW\nDate: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:20:30 -0800 (PST)\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1\nContent-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n\nA very interesting review of ON BLUE'S WATERS by John\nClute appears online in the latest SF WEEKLY. He\nstates that Tor will release both IN GREEN'S JUNGLES\nand RETURN TO THE WHORL in 2000, and speculates\n(perhaps on the basis of textual inference, perhaps\nfrom privileged information) that RETURN TO THE WHORL\nconcerns events that occur after Horn's writing of ON\nBLUE'S WATERS.\n\n\n=====\n\n__________________________________________________\nDo You Yahoo!?\nBid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com\n\n\n--------------- MESSAGE whorl.v010.n043.2 ---------------\n\nFrom: \"William H. Ansley\" \nSubject: Re: (whorl) Clute's review of OBW\nDate: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:19:50 -0500\nMIME-Version: 1.0\nContent-Type: text/plain; charset=\"us-ascii\"\nIn-Reply-To: <199911021910.LAA02210 at lists1.best.com>" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 2, "text": "A very interesting review of ON BLUE'S WATERS by John\nClute appears online in the latest SF WEEKLY. He\nstates that Tor will release both IN GREEN'S JUNGLES\nand RETURN TO THE WHORL in 2000, and speculates\n(perhaps on the basis of textual inference, perhaps\nfrom privileged information) that RETURN TO THE WHORL\nconcerns events that occur after Horn's writing of ON\nBLUE'S WATERS." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Interesting is hardly the word for Clute's speculation, quoted above. It\ndon't make no sense! I think it is pretty clear that Horn has visited and\nreturned from The Whorl already by the time he has written OBW from the\nhints contained within. If that is so, then shouldn't the title of the\nfinal book be _Re-return to the Whorl_?\n\nWell, one more reason I just can't wait.\n\nWilliam Ansley\n\n\"Having re-redisposed of the monster, our hero exits stage right.\"\n-Bugs Bunny\n\n\n\n\n--------------- END whorl.v010.n043 ---------------\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }