{
  "export": {
    "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/737",
    "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it.  Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.",
    "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'"
  },
  "archive": "whorl",
  "thread": {
    "id": 737,
    "subject": "Digest whorl.v010.n056",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "1999-11-25T10:31:57+00:00",
    "last": "1999-11-29T09:27:41+00:00"
  },
  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0191@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "akt at attglobal.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-25T10:31:57+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n056",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "The Rodent opined:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "At 08:09 PM 11/16/99 -0500, Slimina of the Green Goo wrote:"
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 2,
          "text": "2. There have been a lot of guesses about \"the secret of the inhumi,\" and\nthe front-runner for a while was that it was simply that they took on (or\ncould take on) aspects of the prey along with the blood; when they\nencountered a sentient race for the first time, it revolutionized them.\nAnother conjecture has to do with their obviously being able to survive a\nlong time without sustenance in a mummified state. But later thinking is\nthat it's more complicated than that--it's a secret that if known could\ndestroy them--and that Wolfe just hasn't given it to us even in clue form\nyet.\n\nArguments invited."
        },
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's Rat Time, Slimina!\n\nTo begin with, courtesy of Kieran:\n\nHorn: \"If only we cared about each other sufficiently. If only all of us\nloved all the others enough, they would go back to [mindless beasts]. We\nwould still think them horrible creatures, and they would still be\ndangerous, as the crocodiles in this lower river water are. But they would\nbe no worse.\"\nEvensong: \"That is the secret, what you said?\"\nHorn: \"No, of course not.\" [p.375]\n\nSo, let's invert that. The inhumi take on our characteristics. We are not\nvery nice people: enslaving others, raping wimmin, etc. What if we become\ngood, \"Green Man\" types, like the forerunners of Blue? What would the\ninhumi become then? Good guys! Hey, is that why old Quetzal becomes a good\nguy, because of hanging around and being near Silk?\nInhumi are animals, \"underpeople\" of Cordo Smith, but of a different sort.\nTheir salvation depends on and proceeds from human salvation.\nMy guess. It think the clews are there, but I may be taking them wrongly.\n\nSlavering Nutria of the Dripping Jowl"
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "I think you are correct, but that this is not the secret. I also think that\n\"hanging around and being near\" doesn't have much, if anything to do with\nit; it's the actual ingestion of blood. The two people we know Q bit had in\ncommon only their youth. Teasel was a young girl and whashisname, Oosik's\nson, was probably no more than 18. And he certainly got a gleam in his eye\ninspecting those troops of probably mostly teenage girls. But Horn's \"No, of\ncourse not!\" seems to imply that the actual secret is something else. I also\nthink that your premise is too straight-forward and goody-goody for Wolfe.\n\n-slimora\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0195@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Jim Jordan",
        "address": "jbjordan at gnt.net"
      },
      "date": "1999-11-29T09:27:41+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n056",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0010-0191@digest.urth.net>",
      "reply_link": "subject",
      "blocks": [
        {
          "kind": "quote",
          "depth": 1,
          "text": "Slimorina wrote:\nI think you are correct, but that this is not the secret. I also think that\n\"hanging around and being near\" doesn't have much, if anything to do with\nit; it's the actual ingestion of blood. The two people we know Q bit had in\ncommon only their youth. Teasel was a young girl and whashisname, Oosik's\nson, was probably no more than 18. And he certainly got a gleam in his eye\ninspecting those troops of probably mostly teenage girls. But Horn's \"No, of\ncourse not!\" seems to imply that the actual secret is something else. I also\nthink that your premise is too straight-forward and goody-goody for Wolfe."
        },
        {
          "kind": "text",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "Good poynts. Guess we gotta wait....\n\nNutricious\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    }
  ]
}