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  "thread": {
    "id": 750,
    "subject": "Digest whorl.v010.n066",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-01-14T04:46:27+00:00",
    "last": "2000-01-15T14:11:00+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0211@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Bobosmash",
        "address": "bobosmash at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-01-14T04:46:27+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n066",
      "in_reply_to": null,
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          "text": "Greetings to all,\n   Long time listener, first time caller. After reading the latest post. I \nfeel I need to reread OBW again, immediately. \n\n  -- The Venus thing is an interesting guess.  Perhaps, through the \nrelativistic \neffects of vast interstellar travel over the three hundred years or so the \nship was in transit (if I'm remembering correctly), it did manage to do a \nboomerang/Planet of the Apes deal and head back to Urth after the new sun \narrived, encountering a flooded Urth (which fits with New Sun) and a green \nVenus.  However, what happened to the remaining seven planets?--\n\n    I like this idea. I like it a lot. I feel the lack of the rest of the \nsystem is pretty insignificant. It's the far future. Many civilizations \n(including Urth ( both terrestrial and extraterrestrial nature )) seem to \nhave the engineering skills to do away with those useless hunks of dead rock. \nNo asteroid belt either. I would think that the biggest factor against a \npretty reasonable sounding guess is the fact that Gene Wolfe is never that \neasy. \n\n   After I finish OBW again, I'l try to contribute something a little more \nconstructive to this very helpful tome. \n\nPete Clark \n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0214@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "David Langford",
        "address": "ansible at cix.co.uk"
      },
      "date": "2000-01-15T14:11:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n066",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0010-0211@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "Josh Levitan wrote ...\n\n[snippage]"
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          "text": "I have a feeling that Wolfe's given us enough info to figure out what \nthe secret is currently.  It reminds me of that Borges story, \"The \nMystery of The Phoenix(?)\" (something like that) in Ficciones, where he \ntalks around the secret rite of the cult of the Phoenix and supposedly \ngives enough info to figure out what the rite is (although I've always \nbeen too dense to figure it out)."
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          "text": "Where does it say that Borges gives enough information? My reading of \"The \nSect of the Phoenix\" (also translated as \"The Cult of the Phoenix\") is \nthat it's a joke, practically a shaggy dog story, deliberately blurred by \nanti-information. Drop the teasing physical details about \"the cork and \nthe slime\", or push them sideways into metaphor, and ...\n\n[Does Borges need spoiler space on this list? Oh well:]\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n... it does seem very much as though the Mystery Rite, which is despised, \ntrivial, not talked about, abstained from by the very virtuous, yet \nsomehow never dies out and may indeed have become instinctive, is \nordinary human sexual intercourse.\n\nDave\n\n\nDavid Langford\nansible at cix.co.uk | http://www.ansible.demon.co.uk/\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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