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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 77, "subject": "A response, of sorts", "messages": 2, "voices": 2, "first": "1997-02-07T05:07:00+00:00", "last": "1997-02-07T09:53:18+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "m.driussi", "address": "m.driussi at genie.com" }, "date": "1997-02-07T05:07:00+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) A response, of sorts", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Reply: Item #0696786 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET02#\n\nXury,\n\nInteresting new twist on Blue/Green. My impression is that they are\nseparate worlds (like Skuld, Verthandi) rather than a double world\n(Urth/Lune). Your theory would require that the Whorl made a big\ncircle out in space (like Aldis's NON-STOP) and returned to \"The\nPlanet of the Apes\" deal. But if we spot the Green Man on Blue we\nwill know that you were right!\n\nDavid,\n\nRe: Mint as a pure vessel of Kypris, untainted by Echidna (here, I'll\nhelp bolster your argument: note how Mint begins to bloom militarily\n[III, 39] =before= Echidna's appearance [III, 91]; and keeping her\neyes averted keeps Echidna from seeing you-know-who inside), do you\nmean to assert that a sexy love goddess, twenty-three years old, has,\nby definition of her title, the theory and practice of a war goddess?\n(Well gee--then what's left for Sphigx?) \n\nRe: Mint as Auk's mother, if I'm to be included in \"people,\" for the\nrecord I never said that she was his biological mother. But she\nstands to Auk (who never knew his mother) as Silk's nameless foster\nmother stands to Silk. Surely you will agree to that proposal?\n\nRe: Mucor's parents. Your interpretation of the utterances is\nentirely correct--as the ploughman sees it on Urth, or, how does Silk\nput it? That part about three meanings? Anyway, I take it that you\nprefer Silk's miraculous guesses-that-come-true in those cases where\nthey are based upon the fancy artwork on a needler or dagger? How\nabout paintings--would those also be favorable artifacts for Silk's\nspeculations to bear truthful, piercing observations? (One more\ntitbit about Mucor. I know it won't convince you, but . . . [II,\n243]. There.)\n\nRe: Urth timeline. I (again?) direct your attention to \"Additions,\nErrata, &cetera--volume 2.\" Further, with regard to worlds, let me\nremind you that Urth is (presumably) the backwater of the solar\nsystem compared to Skuld, Verthandi, and Lune. Enough planets yet?\nNo? Let's skip over Serenus and Dis. There are stars within a few\nlight years (which isn't that far a travel at relativistic speeds), and\nsince the Cumaean uses an FTL communicator we can imagine (i.e., speculate)\nthat if necessary, Typhon has access to one as well.\n\nRe: Urth technology and Typhon. You are probably right that Urth by\nitself doesn't have the tech. But since Typhon came from another\nworld, bringing his technology (and likely the exultants) with him, I\ndon't see this as a problem.\n\nRe: Pas's sprats, you write \"the oldest appears to have been about\ntwenty or so when stored in Mainframe.\" Really? Do you mean Scylla,\nthe first born? She has the sneering features of a pre-teen (III,\n32). (Does this help your argument or deepen your confusion?)\n\nalgae," }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "On 27 Jan 1997 you wrote:\n3) Who was writing \"Silk is Calde\" five floors up? From\nthe context, early in _Calde_, it might have been Quetzal,\nor maybe Mucor." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "You really ought to read the passage you refer to again. Please.\n(III, 20). (Unless, like Jahi, you =intend= to mislead! )\n\nRe: the Lake as the Scylla's Window. You say \"Not!\" (in so many words).\nOkay, sure. But then you'd better explain to the rest of our readers\nabout people walking into the lake, hypnotized ala Coypu (II, 164);\nthe dazed woman at the Limna Juzgado (II, 156-159); the carving on\nthe boulder (II, 161); the identity of the person ahead of Silk on\nthe Pilgrim's Way (II, 172); and the identity of the dead person in the\ntunnel (II, 218/220).\n\nRe: \"undercut my theory\" because Silk doesn't say (oh, hi kypris)?\nPuh-lease! Haven't you learned that the moment Wolfe turns so very\nquiet, becomes so very oblique, that it is for a Very Important reason?\nNo?\n\nQuick quiz: what was the fourth book in the stack that Severian gave\nto Thecla? (See what I mean?)\n\nOr recall the softness with which Wolfe revealed Severian's mother,\nfather, paternal grandmother, and last, paternal grandfather [whom we\nmet first--perhaps as early as ch. 2 of THE SHADOW OF THE TORTURER,\nbut certainly by ch.22]. So softly that some reviewers (and even\na critical essay published in an academic book)\n\n=mantis=\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Doug Eigsti", "address": "douge at nti.com" }, "date": "1997-02-07T09:53:18+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) A response, of sorts", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "mantis,\n\n\tI appreciate your responses. I always find them to be full of \nthought provoking ideas. Could you please elaborate on Severian's \nlineage. I did not make the connection for any of the ones you listed \n(below) even after my second pass through NEW SUN. I am anxious to check \nthem out but my notes are of no help because I was not even looking. \n\n=Talon=\ndouge at nti.com" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "Or recall the softness with which Wolfe revealed Severian's mother,\nfather, paternal grandmother, and last, paternal grandfather [whom we\nmet first--perhaps as early as ch. 2 of THE SHADOW OF THE TORTURER,\nbut certainly by ch.22]. So softly that some reviewers (and even\na critical essay published in an academic book)" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Questions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com" } ] } ] }