{ "export": { "source": "https://urth.darkrealm.vip/thread/whorl/800", "note": "Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright in each message remains with the person who wrote it. Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 800, "subject": "Digest whorl.v010.n095", "messages": 3, "voices": 3, "first": "2000-04-03T02:55:09+00:00", "last": "2000-04-03T13:20:50+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Timothy Reilly", "address": "treilly at ozemail.com.au" }, "date": "2000-04-03T02:55:09+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n095", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Re the recent discussions prompted by my post on whether the Long Sun series\nis worth it or not, it's nice to see that there is a respectable body of\nopinion at both extremes. However for my part I did NOT enjoy reading the\nseries (which I did once, but with care and assistance from external sources\nas I mentioned). Therefore I am NOT going to reread it, let alone do so\nfive times a la Patrick O'Leary. (Martin Amis apparently said in his youth\non TV of one of his early novels that it had to be reread to be understood;\nhis father Kingsley wrote to a friend \"Well then HE'S FAILED hasn't he\").\nI've reread TBNS (and other good Wolfe) several times, but that was for\npleasure, not duty." }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I say this not to (I hope) labour the point, but because Alice Turner wrote:\nMy initial response to the LS series was not dissimilar; it seemed like a\nYA novel to me. But as I got into it, first with mantis and then with >this\ngroup, I began to take a pecular pleasure in the plotting. It's put together\nlike a jigsaw puzzle. Ask yourself how the insurrection started, >how and\nwhy Viron went to war, and how it is that Silk is chosen as the rebels'" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "calde. There's nothing in the least accidental about it. Just >about the\nonly really spontaneous act in the book is Silk's wild decision to leap over\nBlood's wall, and his ending up in Hyacinth's >bedroom. From there on, he is\nbeing manipulated nearly every step of the way. In fact, you could put his\nmanipulation even earlier, as the >Outsider is also manipulating him. Try\nmaking a chart of the various factions in and around Viron and figure out\nwho is working for whom. >It's fascinating. And one single person (not a\ngod) puts the whole unwieldy structure in motion. I won't tell you who that\nis, but you can >figure it out by keeping track of motivations and\nopportunities.\n\nAlice, please do tell all. I'm not up to working it out myself, and as I\nsaid I don't intend to try in future. Same for you Patrick.\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Patri10629", "address": "patri10629 at aol.com" }, "date": "2000-04-03T10:02:49+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n095", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "In a message dated 4/2/00 11:02:08 PM, treilly at ozemail.com.au writes:\n\n<< \n\nAlice, please do tell all. I'm not up to working it out myself, and as I\n\nsaid I don't intend to try in future. Same for you Patrick. >>\n\nDear Timothy,\n\nIf it's any consolation I don't know what the hell Alice is talking about \neither:) And, please, never ever read anything out of duty. That's sort of \nlike having sex for procreation.\n\nbest,\n\nPatrick O'Leary\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Michael Straight", "address": "straight at email.unc.edu" }, "date": "2000-04-03T13:20:50+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v010.n095", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Timothy Reilly quoted Alice:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "who is working for whom. >It's fascinating. And one single person (not a\ngod) puts the whole unwieldy structure in motion. I won't tell you who that\nis, but you can >figure it out by keeping track of motivations and\nopportunities.\n\nAlice, please do tell all. I'm not up to working it out myself, and as I\nsaid I don't intend to try in future. Same for you Patrick." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I agree. If you've got a conspiracy theory, let's hear it so we can argue\nabout it. Somehow I doubt you've found an uncontroversially \"right\"\ninterpretation that we'd all come to if we only read more carefully.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }