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  "thread": {
    "id": 849,
    "subject": "prophecy in a novel, Q's coming for dinner",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-06-21T12:59:33+00:00",
    "last": "2000-06-21T16:28:58+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0373@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at sirius.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-06-21T12:59:33+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) prophecy in a novel, Q's coming for dinner",
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          "text": "Re: the prophecy thing.  I'd like to point out that TBOTLS is a novelistic\nconstruct even within its own context.  A historical novel written by Horn\nto capture the lost world of his youth; like Twain or Proust, if you will.\nMore than usual, even with Wolfe: after all, this is part of the deep\ntension in the Short Sun series (or so it seems to me); the clash between\nthe \"realistic historical record\" and something that seems (or is wanted to\nbe) larger than that (the seed of a new religion, among other\npossibilities); the gap between talking the talk and walking the walk.\n\nRe: Pike's ghost as Q.  Not to give new life to this notion, but now that\nwe know an awful lot more about inhumu and how they come to be like people,\nwell then, it makes it seem (possible/probable/essential) as if Q bit Pike\nand got some of his essence (must be embarassing for an old codger to\nsuddenly start skipping like a wee girl, after all); thus no surprise that\nPike an Q look alike (more alike than, say, any two old white guys).\n\n=mantis=\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0010-0374@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Straight",
        "address": "straight at email.unc.edu"
      },
      "date": "2000-06-21T16:28:58+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) prophecy in a novel, Q's coming for dinner",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0010-0373@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Michael Andre-Driussi wrote:\nRe: the prophecy thing.  I'd like to point out that TBOTLS is a novelistic\nconstruct even within its own context.  A historical novel written by Horn\nto capture the lost world of his youth; like Twain or Proust, if you will.\nMore than usual, even with Wolfe: after all, this is part of the deep\ntension in the Short Sun series (or so it seems to me); the clash between\nthe \"realistic historical record\" and something that seems (or is wanted to\nbe) larger than that (the seed of a new religion, among other\npossibilities); the gap between talking the talk and walking the walk."
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          "text": "Good point.  I left off \"Horn embellishing\" from my list of possible\nexplanations for the dreams/prophesies.  That whole ambiguity regarding\nHorn's role as the storyteller is one of my favorite things about the\nseries.  I gather there's more good stuff to come in OBW in that regard.\n\n-Rostrum\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
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