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  "thread": {
    "id": 89,
    "subject": "File under filler",
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    "first": "1997-02-12T05:09:00+00:00",
    "last": "1997-02-12T05:09:00+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0002-0134@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "m.driussi",
        "address": "m.driussi at genie.com"
      },
      "date": "1997-02-12T05:09:00+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) File under filler",
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          "text": "Reply:  Item #0807072 from WHORL at LISTS.BEST.COM@INET01#\n\nDave,\n\nNo, you don't have to come up with a list of Silk's mistakes.  I just\nmentioned the first one that came to hand, wondered if you were\nthinking of that one or any other particular one.  That's all.\n\nRe: who's on Blue, yes, there must be other cities and other\nenlightenments (or at least theophanies and adventures) as you\nspeculate since (if we can believe it) there is only one piece of Pas\nin Viron and others hidden elsewhere.\n\nRe: Silk's changing interpretation of his enlightenment, I agree with\nyou, he is most reluctant--indeed, in the end he stays behind.  The\nneed for a man of action (like Auk) is quite apparent.\n\nSomething new--comparing Silk and Severian: well, both share a number\nof sacred king attributes.  That's a similarity.  But Silk is sunny\nwhere Severian is spooky . . . Silk cries easily, Severian cries only\ntwo or three times . . . Silk wears his innocence as a badge of his calling,\nand suffers as he loses it, Severian hides his and is strengthened by\ndiscovering it . . . Silk is cuckholded, Severian cheats on his\ngirlfriend and then his wife . . . I get the impression that while\nSeverian is on the up-escalator from rock bottom, Silk is on the\ndown-escalator from the ground floor.\n\nThat is: Silk, while nice and sunny, thinks that he has a lousy station\nposting that he struggles to make the best of, but people still like and\nrespect him; Severian really does have one of the worst jobs on the\nplanet and he is loathed by most people who aren't demented.  Silk,\ncompromising his goodness (born of a flawed church), sinks into the muck of\npolitics; Severian, betraying his wickedness (born of an infernal\ninstitution), rises to a position where he can reform it out of\nexistence.\n\nBut still, it isn't like Silk is just a patsy--he has a difficult\nstruggle.  Even though in a certain light Silk's is more \"realistic\"\nin the sense of \"real politics,\" I'm not sure if either is more\nrealistic than the other.  Something complimentary about the two,\nseems to me.\n\n(Silk has a twin in Auk, a sort of co-hero; at first glance Severian\ndoesn't have one, but then there is the long shadow of the \"first\nSeverian\" that is a bit more \"clone\" [or \"author\" to \"character\ncreation\"] than \"twin,\" so maybe this is more a shared similarity\nthan a difference.)"
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          "text": "Spoiler Alert<<<"
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          "text": "Dr. Gouvea,\n\nHey, good to see you!\n\nRe: Blood's dad, to be honest I'm not sure (\"sure\" here being equal to\n\"willing to entertain the possibility,\" see where it leads) but my sense\nis maybe the biochemical man once known as Loris, since replaced by a chem?\n(Quetzal seems to suggest this with his \"Blood will tell\" comment IV, ch.\n13, 270) If not, maybe another prosimian?  Pike would seem to be out (even\nthough a lot of Rose's guilt points toward a handsome man of the cloth--but\nit also points toward a chem/bio fusion, which only seems odd at first) . . .\nof course, Calde Tussah would be a wonderful complication!\n\nMore important (at the moment, to me) is the apparent confusion\nbetween two characters: Grison, the driver who took Silk back to the\nmanteion from Blood's mansion in NIGHTSIDE (I, 21), and was thus the fake\nfisherman Silk saw on the boat in LAKE (II, 325/331); an unnamed driver\nin CALDE who drives Hy to Ermine's (III, 279) and later assists with Hy's\nsuperhumanish leap from floater to floater (Hy remarks that Silk looks\nlike he's seen a ghost [III, 311/312]), presumed to be Grison; and\nWillet/Hossaan, one of Blood's drivers (note plural) who is then repeatedly\nmisremembered as doing \"the Grison\" things (IV, 211: this might be a test Silk\nis using on Hy) (IV, 218: this is Willet claiming to be the fake fisherman)\nas well as all the obvious Hossaan things (most notably, capturing the Rebels\nat the moment of Silk's surrender of the city to Potto).\n\nVery curious. (I guess the easiest solution is that \"Grison\" is a\nsecond alias for the same spy?  But why would Silk look like he'd\nseen a ghost?  Did he think Grison had died?  Or is it just the\nunderstandable shock that when Hy \"took\" the floater, she took the\ndriver, too?)\n\n=mantis=\n\nQuestions or problems to whorl-owner at lists.best.com"
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