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  "thread": {
    "id": 940,
    "subject": "Digest whorl.v011.n018",
    "messages": 3,
    "voices": 3,
    "first": "2000-08-16T05:01:35+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-16T12:10:58+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0107@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alice Turner",
        "address": "pei047 at attglobal.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-16T05:01:35+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v011.n018",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "SF WEEKLY has just published John Clute's review of IN\nGREEN'S JUNGLES, and (among other remarks of interest)\nClute declares that it is \"reasonably clear\" that\nHorn/Silk is himself an inhumu. Any reactions?"
        },
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          "text": "My immediate reaction is outrage. That seems to me like the horrible\nyahoo Southern racism of the civil rights era when to sympathize was to\ncompromise in the minds (so-called) of the racists. Horn is not an\ninhumu, no way. He has become a remarkably tolerant human (maybe\nsuperhuman) person, able at last in this book to react to another (maybe\nnot-so-human) person on a personal level, not generically. I think that\nWolfe has achieved a real breakthrough with both sexism and racism in\nIGJ. Because I am female, I welcome the sexist breakthrough particularly\nand the almost poetic way that it is celebrated. But I, and you, should\nnot ignore the fact that the inhumi are metaphorically of another race.\n\n-alga\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0108@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Bjjp2",
        "address": "bjjp2 at aol.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-16T12:10:58+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v011.n018",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0011-0107@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "In a message dated 8/15/00 10:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, \nwhorl-errors at lists.best.com writes:\n\n<< SF WEEKLY has just published John Clute's review of IN\n GREEN'S JUNGLES, and (among other remarks of interest)\n Clute declares that it is \"reasonably clear\" that\n Horn/Silk is himself an inhumu. Any reactions? >>\n\nHow about \"Holy Shit!\"  Sorry, that's the best I can do.  Need time . . . \nNeed time to think . . .\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0109@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Alex David Groce",
        "address": "alex_groce at gs246.sp.cs.cmu.edu"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-16T10:30:25+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Digest whorl.v011.n018",
      "in_reply_to": "<whorl-v0011-0108@digest.urth.net>",
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          "text": "I'm with alga--Horn as an inhuma seems pointless and wrong.  I may\nturn out to the wrong, but this seems like another example of Clute's\nreal talent for working out Wolfe's mysteries working itself into an\nover-clever frenzy (ahem, momma Autarch).\n\nWhat evidence is there to suggest this, in contrast to the\nconsiderable evidence against it (the writing, Oreb, etc.)?  On the\nother hand, this is a better review than Clute did of OBW.\n\n\nIt does seem possible that Silk was committing suicide--the blood was\nvery possibly from the funeral sacrifices (which I picture him doing\nalone) for Hyacinth, but Horn says \"my hands and arms and face and\nneck were bleeding\" which does sound as if Silk (assuming it is Silk,\nwhich seems very very likely) has been cut.  On the other hand,\nbleeding hands, arms, face and neck seems like a pretty extreme and\nmessy approach to suicide---it sounds more like Silk has been attacked\nand since his spirit wants to die, he hasn't bothered to deal with his\nwounds--suicide by omission, if you will.  At any rate, the fact that\nsuicide (while of sound mind) would be damning seems not to suggest\nagainst the idea--that there is now one whole man means, I take it,\nthat Silk has a chance to escape his despair (the increasing\nintrusions of his personality through the narrative suggest that he is\nindeed moving away from his catatonia)."
        },
        {
          "kind": "sig",
          "depth": 0,
          "text": "\"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.\" John 8:32\n--\nAlex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu)\nPh.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department\n8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066\nhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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