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This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact.", "addresses": "obscured as 'user at host'" }, "archive": "whorl", "thread": { "id": 948, "subject": "Just read Clute's OBW review ", "messages": 3, "voices": 2, "first": "2000-08-17T17:10:46+00:00", "last": "2000-08-18T05:47:39+00:00" }, "messages": [ { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Endymion9", "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com" }, "date": "2000-08-17T17:10:46+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Just read Clute's OBW review ", "in_reply_to": null, "reply_link": null, "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I was searching for the IGJ review that other's have relayed some of the\ndetails here, and instead found the OBW review that I had not read yet.\n\nThe first shock I had was what was relayed in Clute's latest response to the\nwhorl list. That he mentioned the Horn/Silk/inhumi? possibility in that\nreview.\n\nThe second shock was reading his opinion that OBW is happening at the same\ntime as TBOTNS? I had inferred from reading the whorl list that most were\nof the opinion that OBW was at least 1000 years later than TBOTNS? Do any\nagree with Clute's timeframe estimates?\n\nThanks,\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Kevin J. Maroney", "address": "kmaroney at ungames.com" }, "date": "2000-08-17T18:31:48+00:00", "subject": "Re: (whorl) Just read Clute's OBW review ", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "At 05:10 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Endymion (*) wrote:\nThe second shock was reading his opinion that OBW is happening at the same\ntime as TBOTNS? I had inferred from reading the whorl list that most were\nof the opinion that OBW was at least 1000 years later than TBOTNS? Do any\nagree with Clute's timeframe estimates?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "I thought that the common wisdom was that the Whorl left Urth about 1000\nyears before _Book of the New Sun_ (during the time of Typhon) and had\nspent 1000 years in transit (though only 358 years passed on-board because\nof time dilation). Someone here--Robert Borski, I think--pegged the scene\ntowards the end of _Green_ as taking place during the swimming scene in\nchapter 1 of _Shadow of the Torturer_, and I suspect he's right. \n\n*Must we assume that, with a name like that, Endymion is a monster? " }, { "kind": "sig", "depth": 0, "text": "Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com\nKitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction\nhttp://www.nyrsf.com\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] }, { "message_id": "", "from": { "name": "Endymion9", "address": "endymion9 at mindspring.com" }, "date": "2000-08-18T05:47:39+00:00", "subject": "(whorl) Re: Just read Clute's OBW review ", "in_reply_to": "", "reply_link": "subject", "blocks": [ { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Kevin J. Maroney was kind enough to reply:" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "I thought that the common wisdom was that the Whorl left Urth about 1000\nyears before _Book of the New Sun_ (during the time of Typhon) and had\nspent 1000 years in transit (though only 358 years passed on-board because\nof time dilation). Someone here--Robert Borski, I think--pegged the scene\ntowards the end of _Green_ as taking place during the swimming scene in\nchapter 1 of _Shadow of the Torturer_, and I suspect he's right." }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "Ah. Thanks for taking the time to clear up my misconception. But now I\nremember reading the 700 years ago reign of Typhon plus 300plus years for\nthe voyage .\n\n I knew that the trip to Urth was during the time of Shadow, but didn't\nassume that any of the astral/corridor trips had to be made in *current*\ntime and was assuming they traveled to the past.\n\nConcerning the speculation on Oreb's true nature:\nWhat do most think the enlargement of Oreb signified?\nSimply more proof that he is being ridden by one or more of the gods?\nSimply proof that Oreb's own nature is more human (larger than a normal\nbird's)?\n\nConcerning the inhumu nature of Silk and/or Horn:\nWhen posters consider this possibility I am assuming they are postulating\nthat either an inhumu/a is impersonating Silk and/or Horn or that Silk\nand/or Horn's essences were transferred into the bodies of inhumu/a. Is\nthis a correct assumption?\n\nWhat I am not assuming is that the traditional stories of victims of\nvampyres becoming vampyric through either spiritual or natural (virus) means\nis expected to be revealed in TBOSS. Is this a correct assumption or do\nsome hold the view that this will become part of the story?" }, { "kind": "quote", "depth": 1, "text": "*Must we assume that, with a name like that, Endymion is a monster?" }, { "kind": "text", "depth": 0, "text": "If a monster, a gentle one . A sleeping shepherd boy is a more\naccurate description.\n\nDennis/Endy\nhttp://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun." } ] } ] }