# Just read Clute's OBW review *The Whorl list — 3 messages, 2 voices, 17 Aug 2000* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Endymion9 *17 Aug 2000, 17:10* I was searching for the IGJ review that other's have relayed some of the details here, and instead found the OBW review that I had not read yet. The first shock I had was what was relayed in Clute's latest response to the whorl list. That he mentioned the Horn/Silk/inhumi? possibility in that review. The second shock was reading his opinion that OBW is happening at the same time as TBOTNS? I had inferred from reading the whorl list that most were of the opinion that OBW was at least 1000 years later than TBOTNS? Do any agree with Clute's timeframe estimates? Thanks, Dennis/Endy http://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. --- ### Kevin J. Maroney *17 Aug 2000, 18:31 · follows Endymion9* > At 05:10 PM 8/17/00 -0500, Endymion (*) wrote: > The second shock was reading his opinion that OBW is happening at the same > time as TBOTNS? I had inferred from reading the whorl list that most were > of the opinion that OBW was at least 1000 years later than TBOTNS? Do any > agree with Clute's timeframe estimates? I thought that the common wisdom was that the Whorl left Urth about 1000 years before _Book of the New Sun_ (during the time of Typhon) and had spent 1000 years in transit (though only 358 years passed on-board because of time dilation). Someone here--Robert Borski, I think--pegged the scene towards the end of _Green_ as taking place during the swimming scene in chapter 1 of _Shadow of the Torturer_, and I suspect he's right. *Must we assume that, with a name like that, Endymion is a monster? ``` Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction http://www.nyrsf.com *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` --- ### Endymion9 *18 Aug 2000, 05:47 · follows Kevin J. Maroney* Kevin J. Maroney was kind enough to reply: > I thought that the common wisdom was that the Whorl left Urth about 1000 > years before _Book of the New Sun_ (during the time of Typhon) and had > spent 1000 years in transit (though only 358 years passed on-board because > of time dilation). Someone here--Robert Borski, I think--pegged the scene > towards the end of _Green_ as taking place during the swimming scene in > chapter 1 of _Shadow of the Torturer_, and I suspect he's right. Ah. Thanks for taking the time to clear up my misconception. But now I remember reading the 700 years ago reign of Typhon plus 300plus years for the voyage . I knew that the trip to Urth was during the time of Shadow, but didn't assume that any of the astral/corridor trips had to be made in *current* time and was assuming they traveled to the past. Concerning the speculation on Oreb's true nature: What do most think the enlargement of Oreb signified? Simply more proof that he is being ridden by one or more of the gods? Simply proof that Oreb's own nature is more human (larger than a normal bird's)? Concerning the inhumu nature of Silk and/or Horn: When posters consider this possibility I am assuming they are postulating that either an inhumu/a is impersonating Silk and/or Horn or that Silk and/or Horn's essences were transferred into the bodies of inhumu/a. Is this a correct assumption? What I am not assuming is that the traditional stories of victims of vampyres becoming vampyric through either spiritual or natural (virus) means is expected to be revealed in TBOSS. Is this a correct assumption or do some hold the view that this will become part of the story? > *Must we assume that, with a name like that, Endymion is a monster? If a monster, a gentle one . A sleeping shepherd boy is a more accurate description. Dennis/Endy http://home.mindspring.com/~endymion9/index.htm *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ---