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  "thread": {
    "id": 951,
    "subject": "Timeframe of S/N Sun books; Oreb possessed",
    "messages": 1,
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    "first": "2000-08-18T01:34:03+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-18T01:34:03+00:00"
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0125@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Borski",
        "address": "rborski at charter.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-18T01:34:03+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Timeframe of S/N Sun books; Oreb possessed",
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          "text": "Kevin Maroney having written:\n\n<Someone here--Robert Borski, I think--pegged the scene towards the end of\n_Green_ as taking place during the swimming scene in chapter 1 of _Shadow of\nthe Torturer_, and I suspect he's right.>\n\nActually, it was the very astute Nick Gevers, who alluded to the above\nalmost before anyone else had even read the book. I say: nice job, mate.\n\nThen mantis wrote:\n\n<I don't know that it is \"old hat,\" but then again I don't remember anybody\nelse besides Robert Borski (and lately myself) following this.  We have been\nsaying that Oreb is ridden by a god, sometimes, but not all the time; just\nas Chenille is (sometimes ridden by Kypris); just as Tick is\n(sometimes ridden by Sphigx).\n\n<Then again, we have read \"The Night Chough\" (collected in THE CROW:\nSHATTERED LIVES AND BROKEN DREAMS), and you probably have not.>\n\nThere are actually scenes in both Short Sun books that seem to indicate Oreb\nhas been possessed by Scylla.\n\nThe first comes in OBW, very near the end, where Horn is ruefully\ncataloguing the many things he has been unable to write about in detail,\nincluding \"Nothing about my dream of an angry and vindictive Scylla who\ntalked like Oreb, the dream that woke me screaming and so terrified Brother\nand Sister: \"Windows! Windows! Windows!\" (p. 380)\n\n[Nontangential associated question: could Brother's real name be Bricco?]\n\nThe second comes in IGJ, during Horn's second oneiric transport to Green,\nand regards Oreb's newly transformed form:\n\n\"'Bird go?'\" he croaked doubtfully. (His voice was exactly as it had always\nbeen, though he had come to seem a sort of clumsy, feathered dwarf, and I\nhad seen undulant arms wrestling with the flagstone as well as his\nnow-armlike wings.)\" (p. 208)\n\nThe \"undulant arms\" are almost certainly Scylla's or I'm a nittimonk's\nuncle.\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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