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  "thread": {
    "id": 958,
    "subject": "time frames and paternity",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2000-08-20T14:30:18+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-20T14:30:18+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0134@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Michael Andre-Driussi",
        "address": "mantis at sirius.com"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-20T14:30:18+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) time frames and paternity",
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      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "Ian Smith wrote:\nSecond, the 'IGJ is set a the same point in time as TBOTNS because the\ncitadel scene is the same night Sev meets Vodalus' poposition."
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          "text": "For me, this is a point built upon a pont.  That is: in TBOTLS it became\nclear that the story was not happening 700 years pre-Severian's Reign (that\nis, in Year Typhon +323), but instead at roughly the same time as\nSeverian's Reign (that is, Year Typhon +1000).\n\nNow as to the finer point of \"is the day Horn/Silk visits Urth =that= day,\"\nthis is of course arguable on its own merits.  Will the fog rise up while\nthe guard is away?  Is it the right season?  It seems to be about the right\ndecade (post-Dorcas era), since the ruins extend as they do and the citadel\nis north of them."
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          "text": "Aren't the\ndream-transfers projections in time as well as space, on occasion?  This is\nvery tentative, because I can't be bothered to pick it all apart from the\ntext, but as I reckon it, the interval between Sinew defecting to the\nvillagers on Green and the Dream projection to Sinew's village is around two\nand a half years.  If this is the case (and I'll sure you'll let me know in\nno uncertain terms if it isn't) then surely the projection to the village on\nGreen must be into the future, otherwise how would it be possible for Sinew\nto have a three year old son by Bala?"
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          "text": "This is an interesting point, but I had already made some decisions (which\nmay be revised, naturally) on my own.  With regard to teleportation, I tend\nto assume it means \"instantaneous\" and so the timeframe is \"simultaneous\":\nthis was the approach with the teleportation from Yesod to Briah in URTH.\n\nThe teleportation used by Horn/Silk may involve time-travel, but it would\nbe different from that practiced by Severian if Horn/Silk can travel into\nthe future (Severian can't, not really).  If he =can= travel into the past,\nthen it becomes problematic as to why the Urth they visited wasn't the same\nera that the sleeper had left.\n\nBy my count, Sinew has been on Green for at least two years when Horn/Silk\nis writing IGJ: Horn has been away from Nettle for three years (IGJ 294);\nthe original quest, from Blue to Green to Whorl, seems to have taken a year\n(I haven't really counted the months), and it was during the stay on Green\nthat Sinew went his own way; writing OBW took about a year.\n\nGranting a few months leeway here and there (people talking in round years\nrather than including fractions), it seems possible that Sinew could have a\nthree year old and a two year old. Or perhaps the three year old isn't\nbiologically Sinew's (or maybe neither child is: I don't recall any talk of\nhow they resemble Sinew/Horn/Hide, and Triv culture being the way it is,\nwell, paternity may be negated in the biological sense).\n\n=mantis=\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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