# Pretty impressive, Alex *The Whorl list — 4 messages, 4 voices, 23 Aug 2000* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### William Ansley *23 Aug 2000, 23:54* Back on Mon, 18 Oct 1999, Alex David Groce wrote: [...] > vizcacha brings up the Moses analogy also, which suggests that Silk himself > may not ever set foot on Blue. Moses, of course, died before he reached the > Promised Land, but came back later at the transfiguration in the Gospels. Is > Horn the means by which Silk is setting foot on Blue only after death? I found the passage quoted above while I was looking through the archive for one of my own messages and was a bit startled. Is Alex a good guesser or what? ``` William Ansley *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` --- ### John Clute *24 Aug 2000, 13:26 · follows William Ansley* In-Reply-To: <200008240354.UAA02029 at lists1.best.com> Still trying to get a chronological sort on what's been said and where in this list. Noticed the reference to Moses. How old is this list? My own reference to Silk as Moses was written in 1996, for a _NYRSF_ review of _Exodus from the Long Sun_ . I didn't credit anyone, or any pattern of thought, for the image--and would have, had I known I was stirring a broth that had already been cooked. Not that being the first to think something is the same as being the first to think it well--but one of the reasons I joined WHORL was to try to keep from reinventing the wheel. Best, John C *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. --- ### Alex David Groce *24 Aug 2000, 16:26 · follows John Clute* > John Clute wrote: > Still trying to get a chronological sort on what's been said and where in > this list. > Noticed the reference to Moses. How old is this list? My own > reference to Silk as Moses was written in 1996, for a _NYRSF_ review of > _Exodus from the Long Sun_ . I didn't credit anyone, or any pattern of > thought, for the image--and would have, had I known I was stirring a broth > that had already been cooked. > Not that being the first to think something is the same as being > the first to think it well--but one of the reasons I joined WHORL was to > try to keep from reinventing the wheel. > Best, > John C You definitely had the idea before I did--I didn't read Long Sun until well after Exodus had been published (had to dodge spoilers on this list for a while). While I agree with Nutria that there are a lot of "imitation of Christ" elements to Silk's story, ignoring the Moses element in a series that ends with a book called Exodus is unwise. ``` "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu) Ph.D. Student, Carnegie Mellon University - Computer Science Department 8112 Wean Hall (412)-268-3066 http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~agroce *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` --- ### james jordan *28 Aug 2000, 08:52 · follows Alex David Groce* You definitely had the idea before I did--I didn't read Long Sun until well after Exodus had been published (had to dodge spoilers on this list for a while). While I agree with Nutria that there are a lot of "imitation of Christ" elements to Silk's story, ignoring the Moses element in a series that ends with a book called Exodus is unwise. ``` "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:32 -- Alex David Groce (agroce+ at cs.cmu.edu) Perhaps. And since Wolfe tosses lots of things together, I have no problem. But remember that at his transfiguration Jesus spoke of the "exodus" he was about to accomplish in Jerusalem. Wolfe hears that passage read annually in mass on Transfig. Sunday, so it might be Jesus' situation that is all he intends. Remember that Jesus also does not "enter" the new church age, except via his spirit, and what we see in Wolfe is that not Silk but Oreb comes to the new planets. Also, I'm not seeing any way that Horn could be Joshua. Patera Nutricious *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` ---