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  "thread": {
    "id": 979,
    "subject": "Oreb, orbs ,and eight-legged thingies.",
    "messages": 2,
    "voices": 2,
    "first": "2000-08-24T01:15:02+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-24T22:37:06+00:00"
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    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0182@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Borski",
        "address": "rborski at charter.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-24T01:15:02+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Oreb, orbs ,and eight-legged thingies.",
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          "text": "Falcon having written:\n\n<On to Oreb.  I don't find the evidence presented thus far at all\nconvincing.  Just because Oreb sees Scylla in the lake and another person\nsees Scylla walking beside Oreb and someone else doesn't prove that Oreb is\nbeing ridden by Scylla.>\n\nNote the very last line from \"The Night Chough\" that I quote. In the\noriginal text the word \"Scylla\" is italicized. But it's what follows that's\nimportant. \"That was the bird. And not the bird.\" In other words, Oreb is\nsaying \"Scylla,\" but it's actually Scylla (and not the bird) that's\nproviding the information. My argument: that if you're a god and you're\nusing a bird for your mouthpiece, you're riding it.\n\nRe: William Ansley's gentle reminder that he was the first to speculate upon\nthe following:\n\n<Horn gave his eye to Pig. And Marble's daughter gave up one of her eyes for\nher mother.>\n\nMy humble apologies toWilliam for not remembering this and therefore\nattributing the Horn-to-Pig ocular transferal speculation to him.\n\nMr. Ansley then writing:\n\n<It is *completely* certain to me that an eight-legged creature one-third(?)\nthe height of a man will look more like a cluster of (shorter than a man)\nboys or two men on their hands and knees (short\n- because doubled over - and with eight leg-like - because of  position -\nlimbs) than a Neighbor, who is as tall as or taller than a man and has only\nfour leg-like limbs (and, of course, four arm-like\nones).>\n\nAll right, just for the sake of argument, let's say you're right here. The\n8-legged thingie is merely some indigenous, but anonymous, member of Blue's\nfaunal kingdom. What possesses it to jump from the cliff to the sea? If\ndirected by Mucor, what has she done so? In other words what are we make of\nthis leap in a broader context? Also: when last seen, the eight-legged\nthingie has plunged into the water and disappeared very near to Horn's boat.\nJust coincidentally, when Babbie first appears upon the scene some few\nhundred words later, it's also in the water very near to the boat. I just\nthink the simplest most elegant solution is to assume both are one and the\nsame. If I'm wrong, I still need to understand the 8-legged beastie's\nmotivation for jumping--possibly even to its death, since according to you\n(or at least I'm inferring this) we never see it again.\n\nNice to have you back in the Devil's Advocate Position, William!\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0187@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "William Ansley",
        "address": "wansley at warwick.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-24T22:37:06+00:00",
      "subject": "Re: (whorl) Re: Oreb, orbs ,and eight-legged thingies.",
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          "text": "At 1:15 AM -0500 8/24/00, Robert Borski wrote:\nMr. Ansley then writing:\n\n<It is *completely* certain to me that an eight-legged creature one-third(?)\nthe height of a man will look more like a cluster of (shorter than a man)\nboys or two men on their hands and knees (short\n- because doubled over - and with eight leg-like - because of  position -\nlimbs) than a Neighbor, who is as tall as or taller than a man and has only\nfour leg-like limbs (and, of course, four arm-like\nones).>\n\nAll right, just for the sake of argument, let's say you're right here. The\n8-legged thingie is merely some indigenous, but anonymous, member of Blue's\nfaunal kingdom. What possesses it to jump from the cliff to the sea? If\ndirected by Mucor, what has she done so? In other words what are we make of\nthis leap in a broader context? Also: when last seen, the eight-legged\nthingie has plunged into the water and disappeared very near to Horn's boat.\nJust coincidentally, when Babbie first appears upon the scene some few\nhundred words later, it's also in the water very near to the boat. I just\nthink the simplest most elegant solution is to assume both are one and the\nsame. If I'm wrong, I still need to understand the 8-legged beastie's\nmotivation for jumping--possibly even to its death, since according to you\n(or at least I'm inferring this) we never see it again."
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          "text": "But, Babbie *is* an eight legged beastie! I just think it was Babbie \nthe whole time. Most likely under Mucor's control then, and perhaps \nlater."
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          "text": "Nice to have you back in the Devil's Advocate Position, William!"
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          "text": "Well, it's nice to be back.\n\nWilliam Ansley"
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          "text": "William Ansley\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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