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  "thread": {
    "id": 980,
    "subject": "Babbie; Scylla; Oreb in the Night Chough",
    "messages": 1,
    "voices": 1,
    "first": "2000-08-25T01:31:30+00:00",
    "last": "2000-08-25T01:31:30+00:00"
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  "messages": [
    {
      "message_id": "<whorl-v0011-0183@digest.urth.net>",
      "from": {
        "name": "Robert Borski",
        "address": "rborski at charter.net"
      },
      "date": "2000-08-25T01:31:30+00:00",
      "subject": "(whorl) Re: Babbie; Scylla; Oreb in the Night Chough",
      "in_reply_to": null,
      "reply_link": null,
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          "text": "alga and William Ansley writing respectively:"
        },
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "It's the hus, the whole hus, nothing but the hus."
        },
        {
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          "depth": 1,
          "text": "But, Babbie *is* an eight legged beastie! I just think it was Babbie\nthe whole time. Most likely under Mucor's control then, and perhaps\nlater.<"
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          "text": "Essentially, the three of us are in agreement here, all thinking the\neight-legged creature is Babbie. I just believe Babbie is more than a\nregulation hus, especially given Horn's rather oblique description of it.\nWhy, for example, doesn't he call it Babbie (who he's seen up close)? At\nthis stage he still has two good eyes, and is even far-sighted enough to\ndescribe the expression on Mucor's distant face (\"her face the face of\nGeneral Mint restrained by subordinate\"). But now Babbie is \"a small dark\nfigure that seemed almost a cluster of boys, or two men upon their hands and\nknees\"? Is Horn-the-writer simply being elliptical here? Color me curious.\n\nalga then continuing:\n\n<This may well be true in \"The Night Chough,\" which only you and mantis seem\nto have read. But there's not a tweak of evidence for it in the five books\nwe have all read. Scylla has apparently been there (for the story), done\nthat and skedaddled.>\n\nI'm curious, alga, if you have any thoughts about why then in GREEN's Proper\nNames In The Text, Wolfe parenthetically includes information about how\nScylla is \"also a sea-monster of the Red Sea Whorl\"--since it doesn't seem\nto play (selon toi) a part in the Green narrative at all. Also curious if\nyou're still holding to your Mother-as-undine theory, and how you fit\nundines into the Short Sun weltanschauung.\n\nFalcon then ruminating:\n\n<Just because Oreb sees Scylla in the lake and another person sees Scylla\nwalking beside Oreb and someone else doesn't prove that Oreb is being ridden\nby Scylla.  What we see of Scylla, for example when she rides Chenille, is a\npersonality that exhibits vicious and bloodthirsty characteristics utterly\nforeign to Oreb's character. [snip] A Scylla-ridden Oreb would be a much\ndifferent, and less likable and wise, bird.>\n\nOreb, in \"The Night Chough,\" is a somewhat more sinister figure, even going\nso far as to suggest which weapons Starling use to avenge the murder of his\ngirlfriend. Then again, the murderers (who also sexually assault Lily) are\nhardly sympathetic figures. (Hurry up, Kevin M. and reread the story. Surely\nothers on the list have read TNC?)\n\nRobert Borski\n\n\n\n\n*This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun."
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