# Digest whorl.v011.n029 *The Whorl list — 2 messages, 2 voices, 26 Aug 2000* > Exported from an unofficial mirror of a public mailing list. Copyright > in each message remains with the person who wrote it. > Email addresses are obscured as `user at host`, the form the original > archive published. This file was rebuilt from parsed fields rather than > retained headers, so it is faithful in content but not byte-exact. --- ### Alice Turner *26 Aug 2000, 11:29* From Sieur Borski: > alga then continuing: > > mantis seem > to have read. But there's not a tweak of evidence for it in the five > books > we have all read. Scylla has apparently been there (for the story), > done > that and skedaddled.> > > I'm curious, alga, if you have any thoughts about why then in GREEN's > Proper > Names In The Text, Wolfe parenthetically includes information about > how > Scylla is "also a sea-monster of the Red Sea Whorl"--since it doesn't > seem > to play (selon toi) a part in the Green narrative at all. Also curious > if > you're still holding to your Mother-as-undine theory, and how you fit > undines into the Short Sun weltanschauung. The Red Sun Whorl is, of course, Urth. And if Urth is Earth in any way Scylla is indeed a sea-monster of ancient mythology. But I have no idea why wicked Mr. Wolfe identified her that way and I agree that it seems left fieldish. I had forgotten that I ever advanced the Mother-as-undine theory--you have a good memory! No, I don't hold to it now; the Mother seems rather more complicated than an undine. I wonder if we will ever know more about her--perhaps not. There are some equally mysterious Mothers in German mythology that continue to baffle. > Falcon then ruminating: > > Scylla > walking beside Oreb and someone else doesn't prove that Oreb is being > ridden > by Scylla. What we see of Scylla, for example when she rides > Chenille, is a > personality that exhibits vicious and bloodthirsty characteristics > utterly > foreign to Oreb's character. [snip] A Scylla-ridden Oreb would be a > much > different, and less likable and wise, bird.> > > Oreb, in "The Night Chough," is a somewhat more sinister figure, even > going > so far as to suggest which weapons Starling use to avenge the murder > of his > girlfriend. Then again, the murderers (who also sexually assault Lily) are > hardly sympathetic figures. (Hurry up, Kevin M. and reread the story. Surely > others on the list have read TNC?) I suppose Wombat will take me to task for copyright violation if I publically wonder if anyone could be persuaded to photocopy this story and pass it out to those interested. (In fact, Wombat, it's not a violation if it's for private use.) If someone sent ME a copy, I would gladly act as a conduit just so we could all figure out what we're talking about here. -alga *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. --- ### Kevin J. Maroney *26 Aug 2000, 14:23 · follows Alice Turner* > At 11:29 AM 8/26/00 -0400, you wrote: > I suppose Wombat will take me to task for copyright violation if I > publically wonder if anyone could be persuaded to photocopy this story > and pass it out to those interested. Me? No, never. > (In fact, Wombat, it's not a violation if it's for private use.) That's not precisely true: copying is perfectly allowed for *personal* use--i.e., if you own a work, you can make copies of it for your own use. But this is clearly limited copying for valid purposes of scholarship. I don't think anyone would contest that this is reasonable fair use, no different than copying out of a library. > If someone sent ME a copy, I would > gladly act as a conduit just so we could all figure out what we're > talking about here. I'll see what I can do about getting you a copy. ``` Wombat, a.k.a. Kevin Maroney kmaroney at ungames.com Kitchen Staff Supervisor, New York Review of Science Fiction http://www.nyrsf.com *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun. ``` ---