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Correction to the above: The 17 nations are in Acts 2, not Romans 2. Otherwise, there are a number of occurances of 17 in the Bible, particularly in the Psalter. Books 3 …
27 Mar 2002, 22:46
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Another aspect is that the demon made or called by the Revolutionary corresponds to the Vodalus Revolutionary party within the Commonwealth. They are bringing about the suicide o…
05 Mar 2002, 23:11
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Alice, Isaac Watts was not Church of England but a Congregationalist. The Puritan Congregationalists (his forebears) sang only metrical psalms. Watts set most of the Bib…
25 Feb 2002, 04:48
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No sneers from me. I've maintained this from the beginning, here and there. Certainly the Long Sun is based roughly on the gospels, though I think *Exodus* has some of Acts in it…
19 Feb 2002, 17:47
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Maybe, but I think the simplest is the best here. An old man with a young concubine is surely going to feel younger. And being around little children also makes an old man feel y…
19 Feb 2002, 17:19
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This is why I think Marc is on to something with his animal-plant hybrid theory. Christianity moves sacrifice from human/animal to bread/wine. Consuming sacramental bread and win…
12 Feb 2002, 17:58
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In another post I mentioned that Wolfe sees sanctification as a very long and difficult process. His comment to me years ago about Severian was that Severian has come from a horr…
12 Feb 2002, 17:33
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One would hope that this volume will collect all the short stories that are part of the New Sun cycle also. It would be nice to have them all in one place. Nutria…
12 Feb 2002, 17:27
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Yes. I think one has to be mostly satisfied with the symbolic dimension, that Silk is like Christ and Hyacinth is like the wayward Bride of Christ, who is quite often a Harlot (a…
12 Feb 2002, 17:25
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The horn falling into the pit may be righter than you realize. AS I recall, in "A Story by John Marsch" in 5th Head, there is some description of two large stones and a bush that…
04 Feb 2002, 01:03
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If plant-human hybrids are a theme of the book, then consider the ultimate plant-human hybrid: the Roman Catholic transsubstantiated bread and wine. And this does seem to figure …
01 Feb 2002, 16:33
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I stand corrected! Sure, it's got to be Wolfe, but Wolfe is clearly making a joke on himself. I'd like to return to this story at some point. There's a lot of interesti…
31 Jan 2002, 15:46
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Well, remember that Quetzal slithers onto a tree at one point (in Nightside?). There's "serpent in Eden" motif here that is very obvious, given that we're in the Church -- thoug…
31 Jan 2002, 15:41
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The Commonwealth is Byzantium. Rostrum wrote: "That other stuff about unity-in-disunity you must be getting from somewhere else in the book." I do think it is there. I …
30 Jan 2002, 16:45
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Yeah. You'd better do that. Last year one of the older members of this list, code-name Severian III, visited someone who had put up some sloppy posts and cut the fingers off his …
05 Jan 2002, 02:46
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Mantis, This sounds very credible to me. I don't know about the Tolkein people, but I can tell you that in theological circles it is regarded as risky to quote C. S. Lew…
05 Jan 2002, 02:30
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Dan'l, No problem with your post on my part. I'm only interested, on this list, in understanding where Wolfe is coming from. To answer your question: It's just a matter …
04 Jan 2002, 19:55
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Good point. No problem. You may well be. Good point. The 3-horn business comes after the rule. Now, am I understanding you right? Are you saying that Horn's spirit first goes in…
04 Jan 2002, 19:49
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Adam, Thanks for your reply. Just a few clarifications, bearing in mind that all we want to do in this discussion is to understand what Wolfe thinks: You replied: …
04 Jan 2002, 18:03
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Politics and Religions are supposed to be off-limits in polite conversation, but when discussing Wolfe they are inescapable. So, without wishing to open a can of worms, I'd like …
03 Jan 2002, 23:16
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The rest of your post is interesting, and you may be right, but at present I'm more inclined to think this was a Neighbor calling to Horn as a "baby." I don't see evidence that H…
03 Jan 2002, 22:44
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At 10:31 AM 1/3/2002 +0000, Andy wrote to Marc: I don't think they correspond, save they each is a duality that invites reflection. Lune is green in anticipation of the …
03 Jan 2002, 22:29
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Yes, but that's only after he's travelled to the sub-heaven of Yesod, and died (again) and been brought back (again) on the Ship. Severian has a fairly unique gift and calling, t…
03 Jan 2002, 22:08
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Wolfe did have some nice things to say about Stephen Lawhead, to me, a few years ago. I imagine he considers Lawhead to be carrying the Tolkein torch pretty well. Never read Lawh…
02 Jan 2002, 21:51
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This was a really interesting post, and I don't know what to make of it (yet; I'll wait for others to interact). But I have a thought: Wolfe expressed to me that Mother Goddess w…
01 Jan 2002, 17:12
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#s3. & 4. seem extreme. As for #1., I prefer the analogy of declaring war on the Barbary Pirates. Declare war on Al Qaeda and anyone similar, not on nations qua nations, unless t…
01 Dec 2001, 18:37
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This looks promising. Only two notes: A variant of 'sun'? Somehow? I took the loquacity of the natives to indicate ritual. They approach this "god" with a cont…
19 Sep 2001, 10:00
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Only one thought, and it's probably wrong: The light from his own home sun, which he has outrun? Or are we in a nuclear winter? Is the "flat" area the site of …
17 Sep 2001, 12:24
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Mantith ranteth: A more nuanced approach, after jettisoning all the American Hey! Where'd all those other kinds of apes come from? And the horses too? Did I miss something? Nut…
21 Aug 2001, 16:27
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Go for it. I'm interested. I found the Disney-Pinocchio twists interesting, but I thought Bladerunner addressed the fundamental issue better. Nutria…
21 Aug 2001, 12:15
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Well, considering Wolfe's study of ancient Greece for his "Soldier" series, it's not surprising that we get references to Plato and Epithemeus, and others, in his other works. Bu…
20 Aug 2001, 11:40
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Well, I've taken it that time-travelling Severian was the Conciliator. We also have reference in the Memoirs of Severian to the "theoanthropos," and I think He predated the Conci…
03 Jul 2001, 13:12
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Wolfe may have had these experiments a bit in mind, but he's mainly dealing with the Christian sacrament of Holy Communion, which links believers with Christ and through Him with…
24 Jun 2001, 22:50
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I think you're basically right, save that as I wrote in a previous post, I think Wolfe intends the Silk narrative to be a kind of lesser version of the gospels, not equivalent to…
11 Jun 2001, 09:23
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Perhaps a slightly different take, which may be part of Wolfe's motivation. Silk is Christlike, but he's not Christ. TBLS is like the gospels, but it's not the gospels. Wolfe is …
11 Jun 2001, 09:14
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Hmmm. Others have objected that Silk merely recognizes who he has been all along at the end, but I've never been happy with that. I think you are on to something really important…
01 Jun 2001, 12:30
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It certainly seems more than a coincidence! Very interesting. Nutria…
29 May 2001, 15:20
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Oh, I just think it associates Jane Doe with hell and damnation, anticipating what is shortly revealed about her. The quotation you added links being President with God, which ag…
21 May 2001, 08:18
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Well sure. That's being more precise than I was being, but I think the analogy fits either way. As you probably know there is more than one version of "transubstantiation" in RC …
26 Apr 2001, 12:18
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N. Gevers objected to my mooted tweak of his proposal: Nothing humble about you, Nick! ;-) Yeah, I don't suppose my thought adds to the Secret, but I'm not su…
20 Apr 2001, 16:26
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Gosh, and that was my interview, and I'd forgotten. Well, I'm all for authorial intent, though as you can see, Wolfe was a bit unsure in his memory. But since all these sins over…
20 Apr 2001, 10:32
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If this attractive theory be correct, it seems to me that it should connect to the question of how the inhumi travel from Green to Blue. Since they can't tolerate cold, we know t…
20 Apr 2001, 10:17
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Like Baldanders? Any possible connection? Nutria *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
20 Apr 2001, 09:47
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Surely you don't still maintain this? If so, you should take up the arguments presented against it. Also, since you now say the other mainframe gods are neighbors, what about the…
19 Apr 2001, 18:19
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Okay, I know your point of view. (I have your book on hell, after all.) My point was the influence of the Bible on our culture, and during those centuries it was believed that th…
18 Apr 2001, 14:19
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Sure I did, Slimy. It was my purpose to draw you back into the discussion. ;-) snip Okay. Good point. Instead of using the Greeks, I should have simply pointed to th…
18 Apr 2001, 13:32
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Hmmm. I'd see those two boys as anticipations of Hoof and Hide, and fitting more with the Odyssey theme, Odysseus meeting his son toward the end of his journey paralleling the Na…
12 Apr 2001, 18:21
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A few thoughts on some of these issues: I strongly suspect that Merryn appears because so many fans wanted her to appear. She's been MUCH discussed over the years. I thi…
11 Apr 2001, 14:29
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Good point. That was the passage I remembered, and as part of an astral journey, it clearly does not count for what I thought it might. I stand correctified. Nutria *This is W…
11 Apr 2001, 13:48
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though this has been discussed to death, you do bring another slant to it. Wolfe is more than capable of tricking us and reversing our expectations at the end of this trilogy. Bu…
09 Apr 2001, 20:32
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