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Like Baldanders? Any possible connection? Nutria *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
20 Apr 2001, 09:47
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Surely you don't still maintain this? If so, you should take up the arguments presented against it. Also, since you now say the other mainframe gods are neighbors, what about the…
19 Apr 2001, 18:19
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There've been a couple of suggestions. 1. Wiping out the inhumi would be so cruel that people would not be able to bring themselves to do it. Or, it would require so much…
19 Apr 2001, 15:12
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Dan'l, Good post on gods. Just a note from a professional Old Testament teacher: the word "gods" ('elohim) is used for angels and for human judges. At root, it means "power/s." …
19 Apr 2001, 15:04
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The gravity on the whorl is caused by centrifugal force. It is possible that the higher up you go, the less gravity there is? And how high up do you have to go? Is it possible th…
19 Apr 2001, 11:18
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Okay, I know your point of view. (I have your book on hell, after all.) My point was the influence of the Bible on our culture, and during those centuries it was believed that th…
18 Apr 2001, 14:19
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Sure I did, Slimy. It was my purpose to draw you back into the discussion. ;-) snip Okay. Good point. Instead of using the Greeks, I should have simply pointed to th…
18 Apr 2001, 13:32
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I just re-read Free Live Free, and since this list is dormant, thought I'd toss this out to see if anyone wants to discuss it a bit. Here are some of my thoughts, to start us out…
18 Apr 2001, 11:12
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I found Allan Lloyd's two posts, dated 2/16 and 2/19 of last year (2000). These are well worth reading, and if, like me, you could find them, then it's because you are sorting by…
17 Apr 2001, 10:12
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At 09:37 AM 4/16/2001 -0400, Allan Lloyd wrote:> For some reason I did not get the original of this post, and this is from Alga's reply to it. I think you've ma…
16 Apr 2001, 16:35
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Hmmm. I'd see those two boys as anticipations of Hoof and Hide, and fitting more with the Odyssey theme, Odysseus meeting his son toward the end of his journey paralleling the Na…
12 Apr 2001, 18:21
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Let me try out an hypothesis on you that may explain some of the ending. We start out with Horn. Horn learns about the inhumi, and even comes to love Krait. He sees the evil, but…
12 Apr 2001, 15:51
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The logical candidate for Virgil is Oreb, especially since Oreb, while at one level a figure of the Holy Spirit, is throughout this time ridden by Scylla, a political and pagan t…
12 Apr 2001, 15:38
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While I did not "dislike" the ending as much as some here did, I think you have a good point. Suddenly "Horn" is "Silk." Suddenly they all go away. This has not been "prepared." …
12 Apr 2001, 15:24
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A few thoughts on some of these issues: I strongly suspect that Merryn appears because so many fans wanted her to appear. She's been MUCH discussed over the years. I thi…
11 Apr 2001, 14:29
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Good point. That was the passage I remembered, and as part of an astral journey, it clearly does not count for what I thought it might. I stand correctified. Nutria *This is W…
11 Apr 2001, 13:48
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Why a battle at a wedding? Here's some grist for the mill, offered only as a possibility from Revelation 19 (my translation), where the marriage supper is also a battle involving…
11 Apr 2001, 13:43
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though this has been discussed to death, you do bring another slant to it. Wolfe is more than capable of tricking us and reversing our expectations at the end of this trilogy. Bu…
09 Apr 2001, 20:32
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Whoa. I sure did not know that. What episode, on which show? Nutria *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene Wolfe's Book of the Long Sun.…
26 Mar 2001, 12:31
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Well, to be NICE about it, I just thought that since Babbie is appearing as a human being, the only way his four eyes could be expressed was as a man with glasses, which people a…
13 Mar 2001, 22:39
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Nonono! We want YOU to explain it. And then we'll leap upon you like arctothers and shred you to pieces. Nutria (Slavering, Drooling Rat) *This is WHORL, for discussion of Gene…
13 Mar 2001, 21:47
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At 03:01 PM 3/12/2001 -0600, Borski, whose missives are GREAT and challenging, challenges: I propose a scenario. We know that the Neighbors visited the Whorl when it ca…
12 Mar 2001, 16:49
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I'll take the opposite view. More problems than answers. 1. Typhon has a human wife and human children and a human lover, no? 1a. They are wife/lover/children of …
12 Mar 2001, 16:45
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Seems hard to me. After all, she marries a human, and I don't recall any indication of weirdness in any conversations about that. I don't know whom she and her father (another hu…
12 Mar 2001, 16:21
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Maybe I'm having a Senior Moment (more and more since I passed 50), but did we ever "decide" what the Big Inhumi Secret is? Surely it's not what Jahlee tells Nettle, that they ge…
12 Mar 2001, 16:16
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My Dear Blattid, You've certainly advanced the discussion with fine Points To Ponder. Thanks. As to your essay question, well if I grasped what you're asking the answer to the …
06 Mar 2001, 13:11
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As long as we're on this topic, I personally found the revelation that Horn had written the LS books, and that the children had written the 3rd person parts of RTW, annoying. Wol…
06 Mar 2001, 08:55
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Etc. Rostrum's argument seems sound enough, but Borski's other evidence is suggestive. Terzo seems to know Horn from the past. I suspect he is indeed Jugano. Very Lupine. Worth …
03 Mar 2001, 11:02
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While the list is temporarily dormant, let me recommend *O Brother, Where Art Thou?* It's another Christianized Odyssey, so would be of interest to some here, as a parallel of s…
03 Mar 2001, 10:56
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Good ramble. Definitely some of what Wolfe's playing with. As always, Ultan gives us a Borgesian perspective. I don't know that there is any real good way to "do" this ki…
27 Feb 2001, 14:54
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This is called "typology," and it is the way Christians read the Old Testament: various events and sequences of events anticipate by analogy the events in Jesus' life. Similarly,…
27 Feb 2001, 09:24
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Good point. "He descended into hell. On the third day He arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father." Horn lives, as and at the "righ…
27 Feb 2001, 09:20
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We've discussed this on Urth a while back, as I recall. I think the consensus was that Wolfe is about as mean to his male characters as to his female ones, on balance. As for Ori…
27 Feb 2001, 08:58
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I don't really think so. Long ago I wrote to ask him if he thought of himself as a Christian writer, and he wrote back to say that no, he is a writer who is a Christian. I don't …
27 Feb 2001, 08:51
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It's not just "pulp." It's pretty much all of traditional literature. Someone brought up the fact that so many climactic events are off stage, and we only get hints of them. I ca…
26 Feb 2001, 16:31
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Maybe. Or maybe an ascension, since in some sense "Silk" has just been "resurrected." In a sense, Horn has "gone up to heaven" in answer to the prayer for "daily" bread. Of cours…
26 Feb 2001, 16:26
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THANK YOU! It all makes sense to me now. Yes, Horn has died. Got it. Thank you. I'd missed this. And it raises more thoughts for those of us sympathetic to Wolfe's Christian stand…
26 Feb 2001, 10:11
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Well, I'm happier with such a view. The thought that Horn's last words are "I should not have come back", followed by his departure from this world, makes the trilogy into a real…
22 Feb 2001, 15:37
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