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Wolfe was mad about the shift to third person when I told him about it, and did not know of the change. That was years ago, though. Sent from my iPhone…
11 Apr 2013, 02:47
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Which reminds me of two other infamous textual variations in wolfe. The omnibus of long sun changes Horn's first person declaration from and I came in the room to and then Horn ca…
11 Apr 2013, 02:45
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I just had to say, my 1981 ace printing of fifth head says "the girl is many pink butterflies" on page 99. Typo or not 8 don't know. Changed to Mary later?…
11 Apr 2013, 02:25
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One last comment to Gerry and I will let it drop - to me, Wolfe's scientific mind creates patterns and repeated phenomena that lead to hypothesis - it is repeatable phenomena that …
10 Apr 2013, 18:04
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And yes, Wolfe does kind of repeat the same imagery over and over, his symbolism is not a one off. SandWALKER'S feet always dropping down to the ground, described as sure footed, d…
10 Apr 2013, 17:35
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You assume the author is wrong when it is convenient to your surface reading. Maggots are the early stages, trees the matured metamorphosed possibly "ghostly" lifecycle, thus pre…
10 Apr 2013, 17:26
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And in a novel with a street named after larva or maggots in French, how can we ignore a name like pink butterflies, when butterflies are a symbol of a larval stage that transforms…
10 Apr 2013, 16:01
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--- On Wed, 4/10/13, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote: Hm. My impression was that all the serious negativity found in the Neighbors was a product of their encoun…
10 Apr 2013, 15:51
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How about this mystery then? "Sandwalker" is the name used to identify the one who survives. Later, Eastwind is said by Trenchard to meet the French landers. — You have to use othe…
10 Apr 2013, 15:37
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Oh Gerry - because he is cryptic by nature. Notice that no mention is made of that second space faring race using their hands at all. Gene is an engineer who loves mysteries, sci…
10 Apr 2013, 15:32
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Yes, the context of the first novella, written first, would of course not have the shadow child interpretation available in that last line - it would have to be a retrofit, though …
10 Apr 2013, 14:11
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Holy crap the mother of cedar branches waving plants her daughter after the birth so that the sun drenched sand energies get to her on the second page of "a story", brushing the su…
09 Apr 2013, 02:48
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Just had a little thought if Marsch was a shadow child. The ending lines of the first novella. " she had the child with her. Someday they'll want us." If this is the shadow ch…
09 Apr 2013, 02:43
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Pay attention to the trees and lianas, please. And read my tree corn silk horn and the whorl word riddle of short sun essay. That Eucharist scene is vital to my interpretation. …
08 Apr 2013, 22:29
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I have always maintained it is the transformation of vegetable matter to blood quite literally, the watchers behind silk being the vanished gods, the trees, who will eat of flesh a…
08 Apr 2013, 22:21
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Also, the transformation of wine to blood is a definitely a bit more literal in one of those communion scenes than the other, diabolical one. Though they are both , how should I s…
08 Apr 2013, 17:57
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And making them move around and reach out and mate, just using them as removable carapaces? I think the subtextual presence of keeping the trees satisfied and expecting greetings …
07 Apr 2013, 20:51
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Yes I see- ephemeral and illusory promises instead of reality. I think it is Wolfe's dualism that creates so many interpretational tangles for some, and that the things you menti…
05 Apr 2013, 18:44
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Let us rephrase that, shall we? How religion affected the masses. The enmity between communism and Christianity has always been a bit of a mystery to me, though i suppose it is…
05 Apr 2013, 18:26
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Pound seems to have had a beef with religion as well, perhaps stemming from institutional hypocrisy and its affect on the masses. I guess I like my old stereotyped ideas; I hear a…
05 Apr 2013, 18:12
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I can see presenting it at a formal academic presentation. " beckett's unnameable . . . is a wiener." Then sitting down. Sent from my iPhone…
05 Apr 2013, 18:03
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I agree with Ross that Wolfe is profoundly modernist. Pound was certainly a fascist; I will have to research his spiritual proclivities. There is a kind of very benevolent authori…
05 Apr 2013, 17:49
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I agree- new criticism (and historical criticism for valid context most of the time) are the most sound and applicable techniques. I feel like the new critical approach would get …
05 Apr 2013, 16:42
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--- On Fri, 4/5/13, Michael Thayer <michael.o.thayer at gmail.com> wrote: From: Michael Thayer <michael.o.thayer at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Thecla's "Identity" To: urth at…
05 Apr 2013, 14:03
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What's funnier about it to me are almost 200 page books devoted to "Naming Beckett's Unnameable" and examinations of all these philosophical principles and articles about "meaning …
05 Apr 2013, 13:42
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Sent from my iPhone…
05 Apr 2013, 03:20
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--- On Thu, 4/4/13, Michael Thayer <michael.o.thayer at gmail.com> wrote: From: Michael Thayer <michael.o.thayer at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Thecla's "Identity" To: urth at…
05 Apr 2013, 00:17
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There are certain buzz words Thecla uses that indicates her deeper association with Vodalus, like pelagic depths. I think she mentions an argosy but my memory is not as solid on …
04 Apr 2013, 12:39
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That is, can't unsee them. (Trees doing weird stuff like getting jealous and engendering life). Still not used to this fancy phone and its auto correct. Sorry for all the typos.…
03 Apr 2013, 23:57
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Of course with trees grabbing for the falling VRT with their roots and trees traveling around in the third novella " trees that have travel", I don't see why it isn't a dendritic c…
03 Apr 2013, 23:55
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Of course it is. Lots of ways. So my book end summation is a mature maggot sits in jail and pretends to be a man replaced by a half tree aborigine. Sounds like cliffs at its fin…
03 Apr 2013, 23:10
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Also of note is that Port Mimizon is in the departement de la main, or the hand or principal. It is between a thumb and finger, if I recall. Interesting that a text that hinges so …
03 Apr 2013, 15:11
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In an interview, Marsch claims that aboriginal culture is not paleolithic (first stone tools appearing) but rather the preceding stage, dendritic, or even predendritic. Well, ther…
03 Apr 2013, 15:02
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When Marsch first shows up in the first novella his skin is described as so pasty white as to almost be a deformity - definitely like those white larva. Also, he makes a big deal …
03 Apr 2013, 04:30
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And of course microscopic infection explains the "prophylactic" removal of saliva as our officer in the third novella cleans up.…
02 Apr 2013, 23:38
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I do view eastwind as a metaphor, however. Not sure how closely these two species are biologically, but I see eastwind as a symbol of airborne propagation even though he is not a …
02 Apr 2013, 15:13
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I am pretty adamant about Eastwind surviving but not knowing who he is. That is the key point. Also, metaphorically his lack of testes but still being called an ancestor of Trenc…
02 Apr 2013, 15:05
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And Sandwalker dreams of drowning and twelve walker says eastwind met the French landers Sent from my iPhone…
02 Apr 2013, 14:41
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I explained all my reasons that Sandwalker is the one that dies already. Eastwind got bit and the survivors arm hurts also eastwind says earlier you will die before me but live in…
02 Apr 2013, 14:37
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John vector Marsch Sent from my iPhone…
02 Apr 2013, 14:04
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Last post for a while - then at that point the shadow child says even he doesn't know who is who at the culmination of a story. Sent from my iPhone…
02 Apr 2013, 14:04
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As I noted from the foot imagery it is the brother Sandwalker who dies in a story and eastwind who lives, thinking he is Sandwalker. The airborne one survives. The aborigine drown…
02 Apr 2013, 14:00
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In regards to the quote on page 138 that Gerry and I looked at, in which the first species uses their hands only for food and the second is space faring, (no mention of hands) I no…
02 Apr 2013, 13:48
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And then there are little comments like, don't ask me how big children are. I wonder if anybody except gene has ever really "gotten" this work for sure. So tricksy. His symbolism…
02 Apr 2013, 13:41
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And the tiny things that swim in the blood that switch the perspectives of Sandwalker and eastwind further point to this. I still think the adult form is a transformed larva, th…
02 Apr 2013, 13:08
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And them riding the marsh men through the eyes finally makes sense of that connection - the shadow child takes the Marsch man. Sent from my iPhone…
02 Apr 2013, 13:02
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And the manner in which the shadow children "ride" the marsh men by attacking and holding their eyes and the doubled pupil of the thing Marsch shoots and the pits being the eye and…
02 Apr 2013, 13:01
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I also think it interesting that sol in the fighting lizard is a different constellation than the shadow children in the sky. Perhaps their space faring nature is mental - they sa…
01 Apr 2013, 23:51
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Well, there is the hand of port mimizon, the eye and other eye on st. Anne, and the odd scene when seven girls waiting picks a blue fruit off a tree and it is called st. Croix, but…
01 Apr 2013, 23:47
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I know it's my fault, but I think the scales fell from my eyes after all those posts. Jailed marsch is not a man imitated by a tree crossed aboriginal, but a transmogrified larv…
01 Apr 2013, 22:32
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