I can't argue with your new formulation, especially after
you gave the examples I requested. On the other hand,
it's easy to think of ancient cultivated plants that have
flowers with both male and female parts--legumes, most
cereals, fruits of the rose family, cotton, and flax--and
others that have separate male and female flowers on the
same plant--squashes, the calabash, and for a Wolfean
connection, corn.
Of course, if you ever learn Gene Wolfe's thoughts on
these subjects, I hope you'll share them on this list.
Jerry Friedman
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, brunians at brunians.org <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
I didn't know that. I am actually a very ignorant person.
I would have to modify my statement in light of that
knowledge. I have no
doubt that you are correct when you say this,
Some plants that have male and female flowers on seperate
stems seem to be
ancient cultivers. These plants tend to be useful for food,
drugs, as
material for making tools etc. Good examples include
cannabis and osage orange.
I have to say that while this makes sense to me, I don't
expect it to make
sense to everybody. I have some ideas about history and
deep history that
are seriously at variance with the versions generally
accepted these days,
though (coincidentally or not) they are basically the same
as Gene Wolfe's
views on the same subjects. I do not know whether he agrees
with my
opinion expressed above: I hope to ask him some time. I
suspect that he
does or would.
.
Then would you mind elaborating on those
reasons? An
example of such a plant would be helpful.
I'll give an example of why I doubt it: all willows
are
dioecious, and very few have been cultivated.
Jerry Friedman
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, brunians at brunians.org
<brunians at brunians.org>
wrote:
It's not really a claim. I wouldn't
call it a claim.
I do have reasons why I say it, yes.
I wrote:
Do you have any basis for that extremely
strange claim
about dioecious plants? Is there even a single
example?
Jerry Friedman
--- On Tue, 11/3/09, brunians at brunians.org
<brunians at brunians.org>
wrote:
From: brunians at brunians.org
<brunians at brunians.org>
Pardon, I meant seperate male and
female plants, not seperate flowers on
the same stem. .
These plants with seperate male and
female
flowers are
mostly ancient cultivers.
.
The spiny orange of Able's
bow. ?
Wolfe
has a hand carved walking stick
of osage orange - carved by Joe
Mayhew.
Maclura pomifera
From Wikipedia, the free
encyclopedia
Osage-orange, Horse-apple or
Bois D'Arc
even know
as the Drewedic
Bullochus (Maclura pomifera) is
dioeceous
</wiki/Plant_sexuality>? plant
species, with male and female
flowers
</wiki/Flower>? on different
plants. It is a small deciduous
</wiki/Deciduous>? tree
</wiki/Tree>?
or
large shrub </wiki/Shrub>
,
typically
growing to 8-15 metres (26-49 ft)
tall. The fruit
</wiki/Fruit> , a
multiple
fruit </wiki/Multiple_fruit>
, is roughly spherical, but
bumpy, and
7-15 cm in
diameter, and it is
filled with a sticky white
latex
</wiki/Latex>? sap
</wiki/Sap> . In
fall, its color turns a bright
yellow-green and it
has a faint odor
similar to that of oranges
</wiki/Orange_(fruit)> .[1]
<>
The Osage-orange is commonly
used as a
tree row
windbreak
</wiki/Windbreak>? in
prairie
states,
which gives it one of its
colloquial names, "hedge
apple".
The trees acquired the name bois
d'arc,
or
"bow-wood", from early French
</wiki/France>? settlers
who
observed
the wood being used for war clubs
and bow-making by Native
Americans
</wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States> .[3]
<>? Meriwether Lewis
was told that the people of the
Osage
Nation
</wiki/Osage_Nation>
"esteem the wood of this tree
for the
making of
their bows, that they
travel many hundred miles in
quest of
it." Many
modern bowyers assert
the wood of the Osage Orange is
superior
even to
English Yew for this
purpose, though this opinion is
by no
means
unanimous. The trees are
also known as "bordarch" trees,
most
likely
originating from a
corruption of "bois d'arc."
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