Personal attacks

On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Mo Holkar <lists at ukg.co.uk> wrote: Hi all, Guys, some of you are currently making this list a really annoying place to hang out -- to the extent that I'm just deleting threads unread. It always seems to be observations about one another's distasteful modes of discourse that gets us to this point. I would really like that to be a banned topic, as it seems never to be helpful or informative, but invariably produces a trail of vitriol. Could you please just lay off each other? best wishes, Mo # ~ # ~ # WolfeWiki -- a wiki about Gene Wolfe http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ _______________________________________________

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Ryan Dunn <ryan at liftingfaces.com> wrote: I have literally deleted over 100 emails entitled Babbiecorn... for this very reason, Mo. There is a thin but important line between passionate discourse and slanderous rhetoric, which is getting quite blurry of late. Thanks you for raising the concern. ...ryan On Nov 22, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Mo Holkar <lists at ukg.co.uk> wrote:

Hi all, Guys, some of you are currently making this list a really annoying place to hang out -- to the extent that I'm just deleting threads unread. It always seems to be observations about one another's distasteful modes of discourse that gets us to this point. I would really like that to be a banned topic, as it seems never to be helpful or informative, but invariably produces a trail of vitriol. Could you please just lay off each other? best wishes, Mo # ~ # ~ # WolfeWiki -- a wiki about Gene Wolfe http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/ _______________________________________________

I have literally deleted over 100 emails entitled Babbiecorn... for this very reason, Mo. There is a thin but important line between passionate discourse and slanderous rhetoric, which is getting quite blurry of late. Thanks you for raising the concern.

--- On Tue, 11/22/11, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote: From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Personal attacks To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:02 AM Ryan Dunn wrote (22-11-2011 15:47):

I have literally deleted over 100 emails entitled Babbiecorn... for this very reason, Mo. There is a thin but important line between passionate discourse and slanderous rhetoric, which is getting quite blurry of late. Thanks you for raising the concern.

I think it's quite clear when one goes from criticism of the other's ideas to criticism of the other's intelligence/education/motivations/persona. And I think whenever that line is crossed, moderation would be in order. You may have lost one or two interesting points by deleting the recent threads, but I don't think you need to worry. _______________________________________________

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Personal attacks To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:02 AM Ryan Dunn wrote (22-11-2011 15:47):

I have literally deleted over 100 emails entitled Babbiecorn... for this very reason, Mo. There is a thin but important line between passionate discourse and slanderous rhetoric, which is getting quite blurry of late. Thanks you for raising the concern.

I think it's quite clear when one goes from criticism of the other's ideas to criticism of the other's intelligence/education/motivations/persona. And I think whenever that line is crossed, moderation would be in order. You may have lost one or two interesting points by deleting the recent threads, but I don't think you need to worry. _______________________________________________

I really don't try to make anything personal, if I am guilty I apologize. It is unfortunate though, the topics I care about tend to generate into these "deleted unread" categories for most :( I started the Hunter in the East/Fitzgerald one and then just stood back as the stones flew. Sorry. _______________________________________________

On Nov 22, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Daniel Petersen <danielottojackpetersen at gmail.com> wrote: Wow, thanks for the admirable willingness to publicly apologise for any part you may have had in it, Marc. On a different but related note, is there a Wolfe scholar out there who could make a digest of the main outlines of the main arguments on this mega-behemoth of a list? -DOJP On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote: --- On Tue, 11/22/11, Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Ant?nio Pedro Marques <entonio at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) Personal attacks To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Date: Tuesday, November 22, 2011, 8:02 AM Ryan Dunn wrote (22-11-2011 15:47):

I have literally deleted over 100 emails entitled Babbiecorn... for this very reason, Mo. There is a thin but important line between passionate discourse and slanderous rhetoric, which is getting quite blurry of late. Thanks you for raising the concern.

I think it's quite clear when one goes from criticism of the other's ideas to criticism of the other's intelligence/education/motivations/persona. And I think whenever that line is crossed, moderation would be in order. You may have lost one or two interesting points by deleting the recent threads, but I don't think you need to worry. _______________________________________________

I really don't try to make anything personal, if I am guilty I apologize. It is unfortunate though, the topics I care about tend to generate into these "deleted unread" categories for most :( I started the Hunter in the East/Fitzgerald one and then just stood back as the stones flew. Sorry. _______________________________________________