More on Juturna

Chris · 28 Apr 2006, 08:06 · from 2006-April.txt.gz

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From: rasputin_ at hotmail.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:06:25 +0000
Subject: (urth) More on Juturna
In-Reply-To: <000c01c66a8c$00ade580$513ec6d8 at rclackey.stic.net>
Message-ID: <BAY102-F796C914301E97366E44CE86B20 at phx.gbl>

If, as you say, there is no reason the undines' future knowledge doesn't 
extend to the flood, then it implies that Severian gave them what they 
wanted - otherwise if they knew he'd fail to deliver, they wouldn't have 
bothered to spare him.

So are you saying that Abaia really won in the end?

>Pursuant to what I posted earlier this month: In the last paragraph of
>chapter 30 of CITADEL, the aquastor Malrubius said, ""No, we do not take 
>you
>to the paramours of Abaia, those who spared and succored you because you 
>had
>been a torturer and would be Autarch."
>
>This reinforces what I said earlier, that the undines knew all along that
>Severian would be autarch. They knew it the same way the aquastor and the
>Hierodules knew it -- they had seen the future. There is no logical reason
>why the undines' (and therefore Abaia's) future knowledge should have
>stopped at that day in the throne room, and we know it went that far 
>because
>Juturna was there that day. And we know she was still there after the 
>Flood.
>
>The quote suggests not only that Juturna saved his life (would save, from
>her perspective), but "spared" also suggests that she (or other undines)
>had/would have Severian in a position to kill him, but chose not to. That
>may or may not pertain to the drowning incident in the Gyoll. But 
>"succored"
>implies that they actually *helped* to further his career. Now, when would
>that have been (or would be)?
>
>Among other things, all this suggests to me that Baldanders was never a
>contender for the throne. Both the Hierodules and the undines knew all 
>along
>who would be autarch. Baldanders was nothing more than a curiosity. He also
>knew, when the Hierodules knelt to Severian at the castle, who would be
>autarch.
>
>-Roy
>
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