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Wiki draft proposal

maru dubshinki · 15 May 2006, 07:20 · from 2006-May.txt.gz

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From: marudubshinki at gmail.com (maru dubshinki)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 03:20:31 -0400
Subject: (urth) Wiki draft proposal
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\On 5/10/06, Roy C. Lackey <rclackey at stic.net> wrote:
>
> Jesper wrote:
> > - Theories and facts should be clearly separated. If there are
> >theories about a subject, there should be a "Theories" section in the
> >article with short descriptions of the theories and links to the
> >separate articles.
>
> What is fictive fact and what is theory -- and who decides? Is it a fact
> that Weer is dead, or that Dorcas is Severian's grandmother? These two
> cases
> are not that controversial; consensus is that they are facts, but that is
> only a consensus. Did Weer really have constructed such an edifice as his
> Memory House, or did it exist only in his head? It's been argued both
> ways.
> Fact or theory?


There are always going to be boundary problems, Roy. I don't think they're
serious enough to really be an impediment.

[snip]
> > - One thing that must be discussed is the problem of the sender. In
> >Wikipedia, the articles are presented as facts and the sender is
> >considered secondary, but if someone writes an article theorizing about
> >a subject in the WolfeWiki, then it might be wise to clearly mark out
> >who the writer/sender is.
>
> At the very least. I've seen some theories on this List better aired in an
> outhouse. I've made posts I wish I could take back -- but I can't. It's
> one
> thing to think out loud in public in a relatively small forum such as
> this,
> but it's a very different thing to have such thoughts presented with a
> presumption of authority or even credibility to a larger audience. I don't
> know that much about Wikipedia, but if Whomever's opinions are presented
> there as facts, then it is useless as an authority, and I could never in
> good conscience cite it as such. Democracy is a wonderful ideal, but not
> all
> opinions are equal.


Well, why would we bother summarizing such posts into a wiki article if they
were so truly excreable?

-Roy
>
>
~maru
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