Shapeshifting Evidence and Principles
Roy C. Lackey · 28 May 2006, 20:13
· from 2006-May.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: rclackey at stic.net (Roy C. Lackey) Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 15:13:21 -0500 Subject: (urth) Shapeshifting Evidence and Principles Message-ID: <000c01c68293$2e8e02e0$e63ec6d8 at rclackey.stic.net> Bsharp wrote a well crafted little essay that I almost wish I didn't have to take issue with. >If you find it impossible that 5th Head of Cerberus could be part of the >history before BotNS, then you should skip this first paragraph. In this >book we see (very hazily) that during a wave of human space migration, they >encounter an alien shape-shifting species which can imitate humans almost >exactly, manual dexterity being the most difficult part. Dr Veil (Aunt >Jeannine) teaches that shape-shifting to imitate a human cannot be perfect >because that would involve losing the ability to shape-shift. And evolution >would not allow for a creature to lose its most advantageous trait. 5HC may have taken place in Urth's past, but if so it was a very distant past and for that reason little or no more related to the Sun Cycle than PEACE or PANDORA, which may also have taken place in Earth's/Urth's past. The level of technology evidenced in 5HC does not seem to be all that much advanced from what we have on Earth today, or, more properly, what has been envisioned for decades by many science fiction writers to be available in the relatively near future. But the more telling indicator that 5HC is not far removed from our present is the pronounced French and English influence evidenced on the twin planets. Historical enmity between the two nations on Earth has obviously been extended to the colonies. The Urth of Severian's day is so many thousands of years in the future of either country that neither of them exists, even as a legend. The "Saint" part of the colony names shows a strong Christian influence, whereas on Urth Christ has been long forgotten. If the twin planets in 5HC had a place in Urth's history, it would have to have been early in the First Empire, a time that had long passed before Typhon came on the scene and tried to rekindle a second empire. >Now, perhaps Gene Wolfe has created an Urth in which shape-shifting legends >and aliens could visit, but never do. Perhaps the abos of Sainte Anne were >wiped out and that's all there is to the story. Maybe the Urth stories >within the story are no more than pure fiction. Perhaps dinosaurs are not >dragons, just bones. Maybe these myths and legends are just a fun way for >Wolfe to place false clues and mislead fanciful readers who might still, in >their hearts, long for a Pegasus. We each have our own view on that, I >think. Now how the hell am I supposed to argue with that? <g> Earlier, bsharp asked: >So, when Roy says "I see no evidence of shape-shifting in NEW SUN,", is he >saying Urth legends are not evidence? Or that shape-shifting is a pegasus, >a piece which does not fit his mental picture? Yes to the first question, with the exception of Tzadkiel, previously noted, who isn't a legend -- in the story. Yes to the second question, also. I realize that to ask you to point out your "Pegasus" in the text would be unfair, given the nature of what we have to work with, but at least show me the bones and feathers of a flying horse. I don't think you can. Belief isn't proof -- and I'm hardheaded. I don't see that any plot purpose would be served by a shape-shifting Inire. He remained the power behind the throne for the decade of Severian's autarchy. Severian's first manuscript was written at the end of that decade. How could he have remained ignorant of Inire's alleged abilities for so long, and if he wasn't ignorant of them, why would he have concealed that knowledge from his theoretical readers? After learning of Tzadkiel's abilities, why would he not have connected Inire to such an ability, if he thought Inire had it, and said something about it in his second manuscript, where Inire is hardly even mentioned? The show was all over when he wrote the second manuscript, the deed was done; why hide it? We learn from Tzadkiel that less than fully-mature Hierogrammates cannot change their shape. We know that Inire was a cacogen. Therefore he would have to be a Hierogrammate on the order of Tzadkiel in order to change shape, or else be a member of another species that has that ability, and who is *also* working for Tzadkiel, in effect a "holy slave". I don't think that Inire is a Hierogrammate. The Hierodules were created by the Hierogrammates to tamper with human destiny, and Tzadkiel said that the ability to shape-shift cannot be designated. Though Inire need not belong to the same species as B and F, who do not seem to have that ability, it seems to me a stretch that Wolfe would create a character with that ability, when no meaningful plot purpose is served. Why would a being who could make himself look like a man call attention to himself by running around a lazaret looking like a monkey if he had a choice in the mater? -Roy
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net