General Observation on Lupinologists (was Re: Urth before Earth)
b sharp · 21 Jul 2006, 12:45
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From: bsharporflat at hotmail.com (b sharp) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:45:23 -0400 Subject: (urth) General Observation on Lupinologists (was Re: Urth before Earth) Message-ID: <BAY103-F180D846C61F58F629722DDD7660 at phx.gbl> Coming from a scientific background, I agree with both JWillard and Dan'l. People should pursue their own theories but temper them with an awareness of how personal bias can be misleading. After you've done your best to make an objective analysis, submit your ideas to peer review for further refinement or rejection. I've refined and rejected plenty of my own ideas based on the feedback I've received here and I hope to continue the process. Regarding Father Inire, I've always wondered about him, but if you'd asked me a year ago I would have said I thought his only appearance is as the cowled servitor who guides Severian to the thiasus. As I started reading critical analyses of BotNS this year, Robert Borski and a couple others seemed to find a bunch of Inire appearances. Pursuing that line of thought myself has finally shed a light on what I've always thought of as the central mystery of this series- Severian's family tree. Borski seems to view Inire as a Moses-like guide for the people of Urth, guiding them to the promised land of Ushas (hmph, some salvation). I don't agree; there are plenty of clues that Father Inire and the Cumaean do not have humanity's best interests at heart. Nor do I agree that Ossipago and Palaemon and Ceryx are Inire or that the couple that are landed on Urth on Flood Day are Inire and the Cumaean etc. etc. A lot of disagreement. But if Borski had just kept his ideas to himself I would have lost a valuable inspiration. Dan'l says: >I'm certainly not about to dismiss B's suggestion that Fechin is Father >Inire, but neither am >I simply accepting it; I would want to see it, as you say, supported, by >clear textual evidence (rather than "it fits the overall pattern"-- >_unless_ the pattern is already _overwhelmingly_ >established). Consider Inire, Fechin, Rudesind and the boatman. Fechin and Rudesind are connected by art. Rudesind and Inire are connected through the Curator guild. The boatman and Inire are connected by the Botanic Gardens. Rudesind and the boatman are connected by similar speech patterns and being widowers. Fechin and the boatman (and Ouen's father) are always losing their material possessions. Fechin, the boatman and Inire all show an interest in pretty young girls. Fechin, Inire and Rudesind all resemble monkeys. The pattern may not be overwhelming but I can't ignore that these four guys might be related. Would all these connections appear accidentally in Gene Wolfe's work? If the relationship illuminates obscured portions of Severian's family tree, I really can't ignore it. Others, especially those not so interested in the family tree, probabaly can ignore it and that's okay. But to me, the family tree seems so important and I haven't seen any good, complete models for it. Anyone familiar with a Severian family tree I'm not aware of? I have my own model for most of Severian's full family tree (still a couple vague spots, I'm afraid), and I think it (along with Eschatology and Genesis) explains why the destruction of Urth and creation of Ushas was necessary. I was considering submitting another essay to Ultan's Library on this, though my first test attempt at that was such a failure and wasted two months. But one way or another I'll get these ideas out eventually. -bsharp
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