Why so much synchronicity?
Bob Miller · 20 Aug 2006, 09:23
· from 2006-August.txt.gz
This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything
here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer
encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the
archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those
repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is
for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site,
so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.
From: bob_bageera at hotmail.com (Bob Miller) Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 04:23:04 -0500 Subject: (urth) Why so much synchronicity? In-Reply-To: <20060820051515.46075.qmail at web32405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <BAY103-F360A85D0C54D494801470588400 at phx.gbl> Well, we do know that this type of synchronicity does happen irl as well. The most obvious example I rememberis Winston Churchill's memoir of how he got into Sandhurst. When he was taking the entry tests, 19th century of course, the applicant had to fill in a map of One of the "countries" (colonies?) of the British Empire--random and almost always different each year. The future Sir Winston wrote the names of all applicants on little pieces of paper and drew one at random from a hat. Divine Providence? Or Fortuna's action? I know what my opinion is. And this is the kind of thing Wolfe would know and use. It's worth mentioning that this sort of synchronicity doesn't happen nearly as much in the Long Sun books, which are third person, twice as long, and more - what's the word?- pictorial? Then when we return to a first person style with Short Sun, everything becomes claustrophobic and intimate again. imo, fwiw, lol, etc. Don --- don doggett <kingwukong at yahoo.com> wrote: > An even simpler explanation is that the narrative is > written in the first person - It is essentially a > fictional memoir. In "real life" Sev surely meets > plenty of shmoes not worth mentioning. That's why he > doesn't mention them. It's selective recording, and > because Severian is being selective, it is probable > that he (the character, not Wolfe, though Wolfe also > of course) is trying to communicate something > indirectly. What that is is up for what is > apparently > eternal debate. :) > > Don > > --- Jesper Svedberg <jsvedberg at gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2006/8/19, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>: > > > > > > On 8/19/06, junk06 at amalar.com > <junk06 at amalar.com> > > wrote: > > > > Why? It smells of ham handedness, as someone > > mentioned recently. > > > > Anyone have theories as to why so many > > coincidences fill the series? > > > > > > I have two. > > > > > > 1. I'm pretty sure Wolfe is an admirer of > Dickens. > > Dickens's plots are > > > utterly coincidence-driven. (E.g., the fellow > who > > catches Oliver, but > > > not the Dodger, turns out to be his > > grandfather...) This doesn't bother > > > his fans. > > > > > > 2. These are all signs of Divine Providence (or > > the guidance of the > > > Hier*s, aqastors, etc.) to make sure that > Severian > > fulfills that destiny > > > (of which he already had some presentiment) > > > > > > I would also suggest that it serves to make the > > narrative seem dream-like. > > > > > > // Jesper > > > _______________________________________________ > > Urth Mailing List > > To post, write urth at urth.net > > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Urth Mailing List > To post, write urth at urth.net > Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List To post, write urth at urth.net Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net _________________________________________________________________ Don?t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net