A very interesting interview indeed
Daniel D Jones · 09 Sep 2006, 13:22
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From: ddjones at riddlemaster.org (Daniel D Jones) Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:22:41 -0400 Subject: (urth) A very interesting interview indeed In-Reply-To: <20060908110438.CFC30DA824 at mailserver7.hushmail.com> References: <20060908110438.CFC30DA824 at mailserver7.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <200609090922.41575.ddjones at riddlemaster.org> On Friday 08 September 2006 07:04, thalassocrat at nym.hush.com wrote: > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 05:36:38 +1000 Adam Thornton <adam at io.com> > > wrote: > >I was reading the recently-posted Larry McCaffery interview, in > >which > >the mystery of 5HC is "given away" (http://www.depauw.edu/sfs/ > >interviews/wolfe46interview.htm) > > > >There's the following quotation in it too: > > > >"The fact that you stand there and let someone hit you in the face > > > > > >doesn't do anything to eliminate violence (it may even contribute > >to > >further violence) ?which is one of the underlying themes in The > >Book > >of the New Sun." > > > >That seems a very explicit repudiation of one of the more > >memorable > >passages in a book that's generally considered to be a pretty huge > > > > > >influence on Wolfe's work generally and BotNS in particular. > > The most striking manifestation of this to me is Sev's behavior > when he's arrested in UOTNS. He messes up bunch of soldiers, and > then he kills the prison governess almost immediately upon meeting > her. If I were a Christian, I'd find those pretty disturbing events > in Sev's "ministry". > > I can never make up my mind whether (a) Wolfe thinks Jesus was a > wuss & that Sev is showing how a non-wuss handles this kind of > situation (b) it's another indication that the universe of New Sun > isn't ours, in line with theories I've posted previously (c) Wolfe > thinks the Bible got it wrong and that, in fact, Jesus went down > fighting (d) some other damn thing. I think seeing Sev as a direct parallel to Jesus is a mistake. Certainly, he is in some sense a Messiah figure but I think that's he's both more and less. More, in that there are a great many other themes and issues being addressed than solely a Messiah, and less in that Sev certainly isn't in any sense a perfect representative as Christ was supposed to be. If you're a Christian, you're supposed to use Christ's actions as a model on which to base your own. It's become a trite phrase but that's exactly what WWJD means. I don't think Wolfe ever intended anyone to ask WWSD, so trying to draw critiques of Christ's actions from Sev's actions is, I think, missing the mark.
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