Wolfe: Misogynist or Realist?

timothy fletcher · 22 Oct 2006, 21:44 · from 2006-October.txt.gz

This is the message as the crawl holds it, before anything here touched it. What the conversation shows has been through ingest: transfer encodings decoded, attachments dropped, quote markers repaired, and the archiver’s ? resolved into quotation marks and dashes. Those repairs are judgements and some of them are wrong, which is what this page is for. Email addresses are obscured here as they are everywhere else on the site, so it is before our repairs rather than byte for byte.

From: ss4vegita_2000 at yahoo.com (timothy fletcher)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:44:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (urth) Wolfe: Misogynist or Realist?
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.0.20061022184524.03e8c598 at gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20061022214443.58289.qmail at web39507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think someone else mentioned Delany as a misogynist; I was just throwing that comment out, and after I wrote it I wondered if it might sound slightly prejudice. It's just something I've heard a lot, not something I believe. I've only read Delany a little, and never a complete novel (I liked what I read, just never finished anything), so when I said I don't know about him, I really don't. I did know he is a homosexual, only because I read a little biography of him in one book (Stars in my Pocket like Grains of Sand, I believe, but could be wrong). Personally, I'm sure he thinks women are great.

Hmpf MacSlow <hmpf1998 at gmx.net> wrote: At 04:09 AM 10/21/2006, you wrote:
>I can agree with Wolfe being loved by both atheists and devout 
>Christians, having been both and loved Wolfe as both.
>
>That is something I think really makes it difficult to say Wolfe is 
>in some way against women (I'm trying to think of a way to state 
>that and encompass everything that's been discussed, but everthing 
>seems inadequate), that there are so many other authors that are 
>worse. Not that other authors should be used to judge Wolfe, but 
>I've not really heard many people call these other authors 
>misogynists (Delany, I don't know about; I've heard people say that 
>all homosexuals are ultimately misogynists, but I don't really buy 
>that, per se)

Isn't Delany bisexual, anyway? For a homosexual he certainly writes a 
lot about sex with women! (And about mixed threesomes.) I didn't get 
misogynist vibes from Dhalgren. But then, it's been a while - maybe 
I've forgotten. And quite possibly my tolerance to misogyny is pretty 
high, due to having read predominantly very 'male' types of 
literature for most of my life. Maybe I just sort of ignore misogyny, 
especially in older works where I assume it was just part of the 
general culture/the 'common subsconscious' that few people could 
escape. I dunno... Oddly enough, I identify as a feminist at the same time

---------------------------------
Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20061022/7f4d1503/attachment.htm

An unofficial mirror of a public mailing list · about & removal requests · download the archive · before the list · original archive at urth.net