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Maclean Jessica · 07 May 2007, 20:56
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From: Jessica.Maclean at nzpost.co.nz (Maclean Jessica) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:56:01 +1200 Subject: (urth) urth Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3 References: <mailman.1.1178526350.17299.urth-urth.net at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <1A905D5AFFFCE14BA291E0BB8D0A65BF04D107D1 at WDCNTEXVS01.corporate.nzpost.co.nz> Thanks Dan and Jeff for the comments :) Another thing that occurred to me last night is that maybe VRT is taking Marsch to the priest's cave as a suitable offering/sacrifice? -----Original Message----- From: urth-bounces at lists.urth.net [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of urth-request at lists.urth.net Sent: Monday, 7 May 2007 8:26 p.m. To: urth at lists.urth.net Subject: urth Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3 Send urth mailing list submissions to urth at lists.urth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.urth.net/listinfo.cgi/urth-urth.net or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to urth-request at lists.urth.net You can reach the person managing the list at urth-owner at lists.urth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of urth digest..." Today's Topics: 1. 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker (Maclean Jessica) 2. 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker (Dan Rabin) 3. Re: 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker (Jeff Wilson) 4. Re: 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker (James Wynn) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 08:56:58 +1200 From: "Maclean Jessica" <Jessica.Maclean at nzpost.co.nz> Subject: (urth) 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker To: <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <1A905D5AFFFCE14BA291E0BB8D0A65BF04D10733 at WDCNTEXVS01.corporate.nzpost.c o.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi all I have just finished reading 5HOC for the first time- I really enjoyed it and liked the slightly harder sci-fi edge (tech-wise) of the first story in particular. I'm just sorting through my impressions and would love some feedback. Number 5, and Maitre are two clones of the original Mr Million. Dr Veil and David are children of clones of Mr Million. Other clones, less suitable for whatever reason, are sold. Marsch is either Sandwalker or Eastwind- when the cat bites Marsch, either, the cat is somehow Eastwind/Sandwalker, or the cat has bitten Eastwind/Sandwalker. The ambiguity of the identity of the prisoner, the many times that his ineptitude with tools is mentioned, the fact that only one comes back from the trip, and the story that Marsch writes all lead me to believe this. Which means that Number 5 is partially correct when he accuses Marsch of being an abo in the first story, when No. 5 wants to kill Maitre (who he thinks is his father). Who actually kills Maitre? The text only mentions No. 5 being left alone with him after goading Marsch into leaving. Maitre is also the name of the officer in the third book who is reading "Marsch"'s notes. Is Maitre a clone? He has a slave who I think is a clone like No. 5- the description of "high hunched shoulders" and something about a narrow chin rang a bell. I note that Maitre, just like Eastwind/Sandwalker, prefers to wash himself after being with a woman. Is Maitre the officer, "Marsch"?? Bearing in mind that "Marsch" is half abo and can change his appearance to a certain degree... ________________________________________ Jessica Maclean Customer Liaison New Zealand Post ________________________________________ Tel: 0800 100 318 Fax: 0800 100 319 e-mail: jessica.maclean at nzpost.co.nz customerliaison@ <www.nzpost.co.nz > nzpost.co.nz _______________________________________ Winners of GOLD at the coveted CRM Contact Centre Awards 2006 Smile, life is good! This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20070507/a7de1 9c5/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:39:01 -0700 From: Dan Rabin <wolfe-lists at danrabin.com> Subject: (urth) 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker To: urth at urth.net Message-ID: <p06240808c264085cf887@[209.157.132.35]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Jessica Maclean asks, At 8:56 AM +1200 5/7/07, Maclean Jessica wrote: >Maitre is also the name of the officer in the >third book who is reading "Marsch"'s notes. Is >Maitre a clone? He has a slave who I think is a >clone like No. 5- the description of "high >hunched shoulders" and something about a narrow >chin rang a bell. I note that Maitre, just like >Eastwind/Sandwalker, prefers to wash himself >after being with a woman. > >Is Maitre the officer, "Marsch"?? Bearing in >mind that "Marsch" is half abo and can change >his appearance to a certain degree? "Maitre" is the French word corresponding to the English "Master". It's actually spelled "Ma?tre", where the circumflex, as is often the case in French, indicates an original "s" in the etymology. I suspect both words descend from the Latin "magister". It's what servants call the head of the household in which they serve--a title or honorific, not a name. -- Dan Rabin ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 18:32:08 -0500 From: Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> Subject: Re: (urth) 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <463E6578.8030008 at io.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Dan Rabin wrote: > Jessica Maclean asks, > > At 8:56 AM +1200 5/7/07, Maclean Jessica wrote: >> Maitre is also the name of the officer in the >> third book who is reading "Marsch"'s notes. Is >> Maitre a clone? He has a slave who I think is a >> clone like No. 5- the description of "high >> hunched shoulders" and something about a narrow >> chin rang a bell. I note that Maitre, just like >> Eastwind/Sandwalker, prefers to wash himself >> after being with a woman. >> >> Is Maitre the officer, "Marsch"?? Bearing in >> mind that "Marsch" is half abo and can change >> his appearance to a certain degree? > > "Maitre" is the French word corresponding to the > English "Master". It's actually spelled > "Ma?tre", where the circumflex, as is often the > case in French, indicates an original "s" in the > etymology. I suspect both words descend from the > Latin "magister". > > It's what servants call the head of the household > in which they serve--a title or honorific, not a > name. I believe that it also serves as a double-entendre in the first story; Maitre is also Number 5's figurative "mater", or mother, as well as his father. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 21:05:06 -0500 From: "James Wynn" <crushtv at gmail.com> Subject: Re: (urth) 5HOC - no. 5, Marsch, Eastwind and Sandwalker To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net> Message-ID: <e8e9702e0705061905u53959c9fw8f9008b62bf14fdd at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > Marsch is either Sandwalker or Eastwind- when the cat bites Marsch, either, > the cat is somehow Eastwind/Sandwalker, or the cat has bitten > Eastwind/Sandwalker. >The ambiguity of the identity of the prisoner, the many > times that his ineptitude with tools is mentioned, the fact that only one > comes back from the trip, and the story that Marsch writes all lead me to > believe this. I don't *think* so. After Marsch kills the cat (which is an abo), VRT (who is also an abo) kills Marsch. Then he spends some time in the wilderness growing a beard and preparing to take on the identity of Marsch. The "man" in the cell is VRT. So Number 5 was entirely correct. The story (so it seems to me) is "abo lore" of when the colonists first arrived. VRT wrote it. This is all straightforward with the exception that VRT does "share dreams" with Number 5 (as abo twins do). I suppose that this is from his Shadow Child telepathic abilities, but I don't know for sure. > Maitre is also the name of the officer in the third book who is reading > "Marsch"'s notes. Is Maitre a clone? > Maaaaybe. The possibility cannot be discounted. However, for certain, it is another parallel between Number 5 and VRT. They were both prisoners of "Maitre" to be endlessly and pointlessly examined. J ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Urth Mailing List To post, write urth at urth.net Subscription/information: http://www.urth.net End of urth Digest, Vol 33, Issue 3 *********************************** This email with any attachments is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. If it is not intended for you please reply immediately, destroy it and do not copy, disclose or use it in any way.
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