Castleview and Arthuriana
Craig Brewer · 08 May 2007, 20:54
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From: cnbrewer at yahoo.com (Craig Brewer) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: (urth) Castleview and Arthuriana Message-ID: <20070508205436.37069.qmail at web36914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (A bit of a long one, but after teaching Malory not long ago *and* having reread it along with some students, I thought I'd share some of my questions/ideas.) I know there have been many questions in the past about what exactly happens at the end of Castleview. In the archives, the two most compelling versions were that 1) the whole Arthurian ?good vs. evil? turns out to be just a pagan renewal of seasons (with King Geimhreadh ? Gaelic ?winter? ? killing the Green Man ?to die so that you and many another may live?) or 2) that it?s a mysterious battle between Faeries which mortals don?t and can?t really understand (and a lot of the confusion is therefore mortal confusion on perceiving the ?feckless? fey). But I?m not sure the pagan renewal story goes far enough, and the Arthurian resonances seem strong enough that ?vague battle? of Faeries can be tied to the prophetic future of the Arthur myths more strongly. Much of the end suggests to me that we?re witnessing some kind of larger battle between forces for which Arthur?s coming is necessary. But I?m not sure that we?ve actually seen that final battle yet, and my real opinion is that the book is really about changing what we thought the Arthurian myths are ?really? about. I?m still not exactly sure what that ?really? is, or why these groups of Faeries were after each other. I?m not even sure, to be honest, whether both sides were ?Faerie.? after all Dr. von Madadh seems to be on some kind of anti-Faerie side, not only by saying that he and ?his people? have been searching for a way into Faerie for a long time, but also by his battle cry (after I assume he kills Shields) that ?The king is dead and the world lives! The end is not yet!? Morgan?s voice then calls out ? and will live again!? So do we have some kind of anti-Faerie forces (although perhaps still magical ? Or even alien?see below?) behind Dr. vM? One side gains from killing Arthur and having the ?world? live on after him, the other for keeping his return a promise. Is this still an Arthurian dynamic or something incredibly different? But as for the Arthur figure, is Shields really Arthur? Or is he the Fisher King (who seems strikingly absent from the book)? Or maybe (the idea I rather like) he?s one of many Arthurs. (Further, his name is ?Sheilds,? not ?swords,? and he never uses Excalibur Gawain is the only knight predominantly associated with his shield.) Yes, Morgan says he?s her brother. But Wrangler?s name is ?Artie,? and, in the car on the way back, Bob Richards suggests that Wrangler should have been their champion, but he was too hurt at the moment. Thus, Shields stood in his place. (?They asked us to pick out a champion, remember? The best we had. So we sent Mr. Shields. That cowboy?s still pretty weak; so?s Seth, and Seth?s too young, anyhow ?). Further, Seth ends up with Excalibur (or the ?alien? sword). Does this make him Sir Bedivere or, for that matter, the Lady of the Lake? Or is he another Arthur? (Would that make Tom Howard the Uther and Sally the Igraine? If so, then Dr. vM by perhaps ?marrying? Igraine at the end, becomes King Lot King who will, with Igraine, give birth to Gawain, Mordred, and two other G knights (?) after all, Seth does wonder ?what his half brothers and sisters might be like, if there were any.? And, early in the legends, Lot is Arthur?s enemy, although he?s later his ally.) What intrigues me, however, is how much Arthurian material doesn?t seem to be here: the Grail? A grail knight (Galahad/Percival)? A Lancelot? A Gawain? An Uther? A Merlin? A Fisher King? A Dolorous Stroke? I?ve always wondered with this book if I?ve been shown enough of the Arthurian myth that the rest is supposed to be there as well. I?m still not sure. I am reasonably sure that we?re in a world where the mysteries won?t be solved just by mapping characters onto the old tales. The many Arthur suggestion is one reason. Another is how the legend of the Wild Hunt changes: any mortal, particularly women, who view it are supposed to die or be killed. But Phyllis Sun ?had witnessed the Wild Hunt and lived.? So are we still in a world in which Arthur is a champion and Camelot is an ideal? I?m always torn with this one whether to agree with the idea that the ?mysteriousness? is just part of interacting with Faerie or whether there?s enough from myth/folklore to piece together a bigger narrative. But the clues never seem coherent enough as the Sun books to piece together more than speculations. (And Excalibur as technology from a planet that was destroyed where the asteroid belt is now? I like the idea that we see Faerie either as Indians (Sally?s neighbor) or sasquatches/yetis, or aliens depending on our cultural imagination. But that was Morgan telling Judy, who apparently can see Faeries as they really are, about the extraterrestrial sword? Are we seeing through ?mortal? or ?fey? perception there? So is the ?truest? version of this that we?re in some kind of X-Files battle of extraterrestrial forces? Ugh If so, then I have no idea what to make of what I?ve read. ;D ) Ah, well. I'd love hashing some of this stuff out if anyone's game for returning to an older one (although with new Latro and TWK still new, there's still plenty of fresh fodder as well). -Craig __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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