The poor dragons

Stanislaus · 03 Oct 2007, 21:00 · from 2007-October.txt.gz

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From: sbocian at poczta.fm (Stanislaus)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 23:00:03 +0200
Subject: (urth) The poor dragons
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8057d$5de1f740$57cb5a42 at rclackey.stic.net>
References: <000c01c8057d$5de1f740$57cb5a42 at rclackey.stic.net>
Message-ID: <467394891.20071003230003 at poczta.fm>

Hello Roy,

Wednesday, October 3, 2007, 7:22:12 AM, you wrote:
....
> If Wolfe believes that salvation is by grace alone (RC Church doctrine), and
> that men cannot influence the outcome (Pelagian heresy), then what is a body
> in the middle worlds supposed to do?
...

This is in fact the Calvinist doctrine, which is quite different from Catholic one. BTW, "sola gratia" is quite well known as the shibboleth of Protestantism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_gratia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11604a.htm

Pelagians taught that men DO NOT need grace at all, and that they can save themselves by their own effort. 

-- 
Best regards,
 Stanislaus                           mailto:sbocian at poczta.fm



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