Questions . . .

brunians at brunians.org · 27 Nov 2007, 09:26 · from 2007-November.txt.gz

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From: brunians at brunians.org (brunians at brunians.org)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:26:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: (urth) Questions . . .
In-Reply-To: <C370EC1A.614B%ishmael at drizzle.com>
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Interesting and cool.


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> On 11/26/07 9:02 PM, "brunians at brunians.org" <brunians at brunians.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Argosy was, I thought, a reference to the myth of Jason and the
>>> Golden Fleece, a fleece said to give one the ability to fly. It would
>>> seem to fit with some of the other Greek allusions that Mr. Wolfe is
>>> fond of.
>>
>> No, the Argo was Jason's ship. An argosy is a voyage generically similar
>> to Jason's, would be my first guess.
>>
>>
> Not a voyage, but a ship.  The OED says:
>
> Hist. and poet. A merchant-vessel of the largest size and burden; esp.
> those
> of Ragusa and Venice.
>
> As for the etymology, the word surprisingly has naught to do with the
> Argo:
>
> [App. ad. It. Ragusea, pl. Ragusee, i.e. una (nave or caracca) Ragusea, a
> Ragusan (vessel or carack), best repr. by the earliest form ragusye; the
> transposition in argosea, arguze, argozee, etc., is no doubt connected
> with
> the fact that Ragusa (in Venetian, Ragusi) itself appears in 16th c.
> English
> as Aragouse, Arragouese, Arragosa. Cf. also the prec. word, in which
> Argosine seems to represent It. Ragusino, synonym of Raguseo.]
>
>
> That argosies were reputed to take their name from Ragusa, is stated by
> several writers of 17th c.; and the derivation is made inductively certain
> by investigations made for us by Mr. A. J. Evans, showing the extent of
> Ragusan trade with England, and the familiarity of Englishmen with the
> Ragusee or large and richly-freighted merchant ships of Ragusa, ?Argosies
> with portly saile, Like Signiors and rich Burgers on the flood [which]
> ouer-peere the pettie Traffiquers That curtsie to them, do them reuerence,
> As they flye by them with their wouen wings.? (SHAKES. Merch. V. I. i. 9.)
> No reference to the ship Argo is traceable in the early use of the word.]
>
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