Questions . . .

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes · 30 Nov 2007, 20:16 · from 2007-November.txt.gz
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From: danldo at gmail.com (Dan'l Danehy-Oakes)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:16:10 -0800
Subject: (urth) Questions . . .
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Yes, and "the liege of the leaves."

(He said, making the Theoantrhopos cry.)

On Nov 30, 2007 9:46 AM, Eric Ortlund <eortlund at briercrest.ca> wrote:

> That's a good thought.  Isn't Vodalus called "Vodalus of the Wood"
> elsewhere?
>
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> I have always assumed that "quercine penetralia" could be interpreted as
> "heart of the (oak) wood," so Vodalus's messanger would be saying "I am
> from the heart of the wood," which makes sense if you think of Vodalus
> as a Robin Hood type outlaw (which on one level he is).
>
> Of course, if it's like "pelagic argosy," it has another and possibly
> several other meanings as well.  Any suggestions?
>
> Peter S.
>
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> ...
>
> As far as quercine penetralia - i.e., the inner recesses (penetralia) of
> an oak (quercine) - I have absolutely no idea.  Oak trees don't seem to
> show up anywhere else in the book.  Ships do, but oak trees?
>
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>
> Eric,
>
> These are great questions for examples of how to unpack the layers of
> meaning Wolfe stuffs into his texts.
>
>  ...
>
>    3) Is there a deeper significance to the code phrases Vodalus gives
> Severian?  There's so much about ships elsewhere in the book (thepelagic
> argosy) - the ship on the tomb Sev rests in as a boy, the ship he sails
> to Yesod in - and the Autarch drops the phrase to Sev. as he's talking
> about the higher world Severian will eventually travel to.  Or is it
> "just" a phrase?
>
>
> There's a *lot* here.
>
> First, when a pelagic (deep-sea) argosy "sights land," it means that the
>
> long voyage is nearly over. This is true, but not perhaps in the way
> that Vodalus intends.
>
> Second, the argosy is "pelagic" in the sense of Pelagianism: the
> HeiroFoos are guilty of the heresy of trying to perfect humans through
> natural means rather than relying on divine grace.
>
> The ship on Sev's tomb *is* Tzadkiel's ship; at one point, it is implied
> that there is only one ship of this sort in the Universe.
>
> There are no coincidences
>   [COINCIDENCE: You weren't paying attention to the other half of
>   what was going on. -- Chad C. Mulligan, "The HipCrime Vocab"] in the
> Book of the New Sun; what seems to be a coincidence is always at least a
> synchronicity and most likely part of someone's plan, if only Wolfe's
> map of the meanings of the Book.
>
> One of the many things I love about the Book is that what appears at
> first to be driven by a series Dickensian coincidences turns out to be a
> causally-driven plot (though, admittedly, the causality does not always
> work forwards in linear time).
>
>
> On another level, of course, it's just a phrase.
>
> Someone else wanna unpack the second password?
>
> --
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