Some Pirate Freedom thoughts and questions
Fernando Q. Gouvea · 01 Dec 2007, 20:34
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From: fqgouvea at colby.edu (Fernando Q. Gouvea) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:34:56 -0500 Subject: (urth) Some Pirate Freedom thoughts and questions In-Reply-To: <9C7F6F26-12FF-4FB1-97DD-9550AD6C5E6F at gmail.com> References: <1a0930df0711271553s49d5c8dak8e66a71818aecd5f at mail.gmail.com> <9C7F6F26-12FF-4FB1-97DD-9550AD6C5E6F at gmail.com> Message-ID: <4751C570.6030302 at colby.edu> I just finished reading the book, so these are off-the-cuff comments and questions. I'm not really completely convinced of the "Chris is evil" reading. He strikes me as no worse than many other Wolfe characters. Wolfe knows, I think, that most of us are bad men who are protected from our own badness by a veneer of civilization and lack of opportunity. Chris is one such, and when the veneer comes off we see the real man underneath. He is loyal, brave, smart, and sometimes even thoughtful. I actually find him rather likeable, though he is surely a rogue, a murderer, and yes, somewhat selfish when it comes to his love for Novia. I'd be scared of him if I met him in the street, and probably wouldn't want to have him over for dinner... but that's probably just as true about Ignatius Loyola. I think it is significant that a lot of the "faults" we see in Chris are things that might well have not been seen as faults in the 18th century. This point is made repeatedly in the book, of course. A clear example of this is his attitude to the use of force. We see almost any use of force as "violence". He doesn't. He has the faults of the 18th century too. He cannot see someone who does not resist the attempt at sexual abuse as a "victim"; for him, rape is rape, but sexual contact that is not (physically) coerced is not. Is Chris's attitude towards the Spanish a virtue or a fault? We'd say a fault, folks in the 18th century would, I think, disagree. Are we that sure we are right? On a purely formal level, I am glad that Wolfe avoided the "try and change the past" territory that Witcover mentions in his review. That would turn the novel into a time travel story, a logical puzzle in which figuring out the ins and outs of the time paradoxes would take over the book. (In general, I believe that while Wolfe's books can puzzle the reader, they are not intended primarily as mind games.) Avoiding that morass, Wolfe gives us a portrayal of character in the context of a historical period that he clearly finds fascinating. Some unrelated points: 1) Wolfe has used the motif of love for a woman as motivation many times before. (The ending of "There Are Doors" comes to mind, for example.) This is clearly an important theme for him. He seems to be aiming for a mix of Dante's portrayal of Beatrice as a motivation toward sanctity and the far more common portrayal of woman as temptress. With a slight tendency towards the Beatrician side, I think. 2) The missing mother is also an important Wolfean theme. I think we should be wary of jumping to the "Chris is a clone" conclusion. Mothers that are missing or hidden appear very often in Wolfe's books. 3) I'm also not sure about the conclusion that this is a different "present" (or near future) from ours. Just because of the monorail? Perhaps, but this assumes we're talking about the very near future. How long will it take for the communists to fall in Cuba? It could easily take long enough for the monorails to arrive by then. 4) Which "most famous question in the New Testament" did Saint Jude ask? 5) Why is Captain Kidd in the glossary? A privateer who turned pirate" is a good description of Captain Burt. 6) What is the chronology of Chris's story? How long does Brother Ignacio wait? I agree that it might be interesting to see if we get any clues as to what he was doing. Of course, he may well have simply been slaving away, doing the proper penitence for his acts at last, and learning that patience, too, is a virtue. Fernando -- ================================================================== Fernando Q. Gouvea Carter Professor of Mathematics Colby College Editor, FOCUS Mayflower Hill 5836 Editor, MAA Reviews Waterville, ME 04901 fqgouvea at colby.edu War is a dreadful thing, and I can respect an honest pacifist, although I think he is entirely mistaken. What I cannot understand is this sort of semi-pacifism you get nowadays which gives people the idea that though you have to fight, you ought to do it with a long face and as if you were ashamed of it. -- C.S. Lewis, in Mere Christianity
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