Fuligin invented
gwern0 at gmail.com · 17 Jan 2008, 19:44
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From: gwern0 at gmail.com (gwern0 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:44:15 -0500 Subject: (urth) Fuligin invented In-Reply-To: <99774192-7E52-47FF-B11B-3F552653CBAB at gmail.com> References: <E1JFR0z-000L7h-0w at pr-webmail-1.mail.demon.net> <4819.72.171.0.143.1200589082.squirrel at www.brunians.org> <44fb53d10801171001o31d37e88k47b2a5c6fa017ea2 at mail.gmail.com> <99774192-7E52-47FF-B11B-3F552653CBAB at gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080117194415.GB19051@localhost> On 2008.01.17 12:20:21 -0600, Lane Haygood <lhaygood at gmail.com> scribbled 2.3K characters: > I've never heard of an actual mercury channel in a sword. I can ask on > a swordsmanship forum I frequent (where several smiths post) to see if > it's feasible. From what I understand of sword structure, it's not. > You need the center part of the sword to be the strongest part, and > that usually means it needs to be softer and more ductile than the > surrounding steel. Cutting a big channel out of the middle of it might > weaken its structural integrity to the point where it would be useless > for cutting. When it was described, the way I thought it was done was like this: swords sometimes have 'blood grooves' (fullers), right? This produces a slight volume down the middle which you could fill up - maybe you could weld a flat strip down the length of the blade, or fold over a section of the blade and create a sealed space that way. To make it symmetrical you could either do the same thing to the other side (if the blade in cross-section kind of looks like an I-beam), or have just a single fuller/mercury-channel. It'd be very tricky to have a good welded channel or to preserve the void while working it in the other method, yes, but it doesn't seem impossible to this layperson. :) > The idea is that the edges, the parts that need to be sharp, should be > harder. When steel hardens, it becomes more brittle. Brittle steel > will sharpen and hold an edge. But it's also weak. If you made the > whole sword out of really hard steel it would chip and shatter > whenever it made contact with something. So you make the non-edge part > of the sword out of softer, more flexible metal so that it will > actually absorb shock. But cutting a big channel out of the middle > would remove a lot of the shock-absorbing material. > > Lane I don't think fullers are always cut - <https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Fuller_(weapon)> says you could also just press or bend the blade. -- gwern Macintosh Fortezza Ortega GAFE Internet Fox WQC wire SLI Gist -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.urth.net/pipermail/urth-urth.net/attachments/20080117/b21b5d29/attachment.pgp
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