Juturna

Anthony Davis · 10 Jul 2008, 05:12 · from 2008-July.txt.gz

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From: skateorlive at gmail.com (Anthony Davis)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:12:06 -0500
Subject: (urth) Juturna
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Ah, I've just realized it. Juturna saved Sev.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Anthony Davis <skateorlive at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Forgive me for interrupting:
>
> Who is Juturna?
>
> Jolenta keeps popping into my head. All of GW's characters have excellent
> names and are easy to remember/characterize but this one eludes me. (I just
> read the 5 New Sun books for the first time and I am embarrassed to say I
> can't remember and I'm not with my books at the moment.)
>
> Thanks!
> Anthony (another new BotNS fanatic)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:
>
>> b sharp wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> One support for Jeff Wilson's idea that Juturna is Severian's sister
>>> could be their shared pale white skin. In my view, another would be their
>>> bizarre sexual attraction for each other, since I suspect Severian's family
>>> is so cursed to feel that way about each other.
>>>
>>
>> uncanny attraction between long-lost siblings is fairly common in
>> literature and not unknown in RL
>>
>>  This story is full of liars but I tend to believe Juturna when she
>>> describes Abaia as her (and her sisters')
>>> "father-husband".  If there is any correspondence between the undines and
>>> the Corn Maidens of the Naviscaput story, we may believe the undines aren't
>>> really very loyal to their incestuous father, Abaia and
>>> might lean toward Severian and the New Sun.
>>>
>>
>> This could be a habit of speaking for an adopted sister. It may also be
>> that Jut and Sev are half-siblings rather than full.
>>
>>  If  Severian is Juturna's brother, is he  to be considered a son of
>>> Abaia?
>>>
>>
>> Unlikely, or he wouldn't be at a disadvantage underwater even the first
>> time.
>>
>>  I think a real hurdle for this theory to overcome could be Idas.  She is
>>> so tall as a child it implies that undines
>>> are large by nature, not as a result of being sea-dwelling.  If siblings
>>> why would Juturna be so big and Severian
>>>  normal sized?  Also, if undines were pinched off we would think they
>>> could be of any size. But Severian's encounters with Juturna and Idas also
>>> suggests that undines are extremely large by nature, not subject to choice.
>>>
>>
>> It's part of the longevity-by-growth theme. Many sea creatures live and
>> grow for an indefinite period; lobsters, for instance, grow about 1 lb a
>> year and have been found up to a couple hundred pounds. Baldanders
>> redsiscovered this principle and ended up joining the undines under the
>> water because his weight became prohibitive.
>>
>> There is also the property of aquatic life to limit their growth according
>> to the size of the habitat.
>>
>> So...Idas live underwater, growing taller than a man by the time she has
>> noticeable breasts, and then is sent onto The Ship. Juturna is larger
>> because she's been living underwater longer. Merryn, an undine changeling
>> many generations descended from the corn maidens is brought up on land and
>> is stunted because of it, but still has the youthful face from undine
>> longevity.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com
>> < http://www.io.com/~jwilson <http://www.io.com/%7Ejwilson> >
>>
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