What's So Great About Ushas?
Jeff Wilson · 14 Jul 2008, 22:38
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From: jwilson at io.com (Jeff Wilson) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 17:38:38 -0500 Subject: (urth) What's So Great About Ushas? In-Reply-To: <93d4039f0807141316x1af9c5f3lcac810ccef5259cf at mail.gmail.com> References: <20080714064747.8F35C2003D at mailserver7.hushmail.com> <3e1fa2e90807140953r5bbd13c2pe7dabc8580718bdd at mail.gmail.com> <93d4039f0807141028l5c561626p1b2bba2871d6aab2 at mail.gmail.com> <3e1fa2e90807141040v45ec13degfd53d049be1a4429 at mail.gmail.com> <93d4039f0807141058g7570ff90te529d9f13a6cf779 at mail.gmail.com> <3e1fa2e90807141249v471f962aha986cde2b44e7fcb at mail.gmail.com> <93d4039f0807141316x1af9c5f3lcac810ccef5259cf at mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <487BD56E.2010206 at io.com> John Watkins wrote: > At least, that's the sense I get from the juxtaposition of "time turns > our lies into truths" and "When a demon mimics a god, it can not help in > some ways becoming like a god." > This does not mean that I think the Hierogrammates are properly > understood as archangels. Despite the name, Tzadkiel seems more > sinister than that, and the scheme--genocide to further evolution--seems > very morally problematic. But, again, I'd be surprised if the > presumably evil Hierogrammates posing as presumably good angelic beings > has no significance other than messing with our and Severian's > assumptions. There's got to be something more going on than evil aliens > manipulating Severian to bring about devastation--I just don't know what > it is. I'm thinking it is intended that the Hieros built the Hierogrammates out of hubris in attempt to make a perfect, godlike creature. They are thus living graven images and as false gods they pose at being God but fall short. Tzadkiel personally aims a bit lower by taking the name of angel, but is still sorely flawed. The 'Grammates are the BOTNS equivalent of DOORS' Goddess or the deities in the SOLDIER books; beings of real but inferior spiritual power. They can play the roles of God or one of the heavenly host, but eventually limits and conflicts of interest will break down the facade. In this light, the Hiergrammates may then be more properly considered evil creations than evil beings; they may not have been given the choice to not pursue the Hieros' agenda, or to consider if their mandate may not come from the Increate. -- Jeff Wilson - jwilson at io.com < http://www.io.com/~jwilson >
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