What's So Great About Ushas?
b sharp · 15 Jul 2008, 01:36
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From: bsharporflat at hotmail.com (b sharp) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:36:59 -0400 Subject: (urth) What's So Great About Ushas? Message-ID: <BAY103-W5083192E805FABEA7FB2FFD78C0 at phx.gbl> Roy, that was a very good post below and I agree with almost all of it. I also see little justification for Sev to be the Epitome of Urth. If there was a legitimate test he passed it was having the bravery to claim the title when tall, young strapping Zak is there to fill the role and friends and enemies are patting him on the back for playing decoy. Also, I agree that the Green Man does not fit well into the scenario. Seems like he might have been a cool idea Wolfe had that needed to be inserted somehow in the story. Paul says: >You persist in making unwarranted assumptions. >Tzadkiel says, and I doubt you'll claim he's lying in this case, that he >made a probabilistic guess about Severian, which did indeed turn out right. >Ergo, even a Hierogrammate's foresight is not perfect. >If you intend on making unusual claims about various properties of the >Hierogrammates, be it angel-hood or omniscience, please substantiate them >with some references. Sorry Paul, it was an egregious error and I promise to do better in the future. >It could be summed up as basically what Dave Tallman said last month about a five-volume heroic epic being turned into a horror story if Ushas was intended by Wolfe to be viewed as a bad thing. I don't think Wolfe would have written such a story, and extra-textual comments he has made suggest that he didn't--the stuff about the "do nothing future" and Severian being, despite his horrific nurturing and obvious character flaws, a man trying to do the right thing. Urth was unique as the birthplace of humanity, both from the perspective of the Increate and the Hierogrammates, which is why Apheta said that the Hieros, if they were to be reproduced at all in Briah, would come from that particular "strand of your race" on Urth, presumably because that is the way it happened before in that other universe. No other planet would do. There is no logical justification for Sev, as Epitome, to be truly representative of Urth's people (he ruled only a small fraction of the planet's people and was elected by none of them), *unless* he is nevertheless truly a religious figure, in the same sense that Christ could take upon himself the sins of all mankind. In practical terms, all the peoples of Urth would be wiped out by the birth pangs of Ushas, and they were. So Sev was de facto the Epitome of Urth, and I think that's why Wolfe put him in that role. The Hierogrammates had the power to destroy Urth and create Ushas without bothering with the religious rigmarole that went on in URTH. If they were simply bad guys, they could have skipped all that stuff and gone on to pursue their nefarious ends. What would the consent of the condemned matter to them? But it did matter. I think it mattered because that is the way the Increate wanted it, just as in Christianity people must accept Jesus as Savior in order to be saved. I think the Increate imposed the condition of consent from the people of Urth upon the Hierogrammates, so they had to be working directly for the Increate. The destruction of Urth was not just a generic natural disaster that resulted in great loss of life. It was a deliberate act that rewrote the Increate's creation. I don't think Wolfe's omnipotent God would have permitted that to happen to mankind's home unless it served some greater purpose, whatever that purpose might have been. (FWIW, I have a hard time fitting the futuristic Green Man into the prospective Hieros line. He seems to be rather a pacific fellow whose kind will not even kill to eat. It's hard to imagine his kind will produce the cruel men who fashion Hierogrammates in Briah. Maybe he signals the end of the senseless cycles.) That the Hierogrammates also had their own agenda, lied and manipulated events and people, doesn't change anything. It just shows that they were imperfect beings, as are all beings who are not God in Wolfe's scheme of things, just like the gods in the upper tiers of the Seven Worlds Cosmology in TWK who pursued their own ends.< _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008
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