Wolfe Heretic?

Paul B · 18 Jul 2008, 16:30 · from 2008-July.txt.gz

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From: pb.stuff at gmail.com (Paul B)
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:30:03 -0400
Subject: (urth) Wolfe Heretic?
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Hm.  Well, that phrase "The word Fatah is prominently used for the Islamic
expansion in the first centuries of Islamic history, and so has strongly
positive connotations for Muslims" certainly appears often enough on blogs
and Wikipedia as Google finds.  No "established" sources corroborate it
though, and it's worrying that it's always the same exact phrase.

I'd never heard of it before, so I'm still skeptical, but I now know what
was meant.

In that case, I amend my reply about the justice of the crusades to "It is
not a sensible moral response to say that injustice following other
injustice is somehow more just".  Yes, the Muslims were certainly invaders,
but does it mean that another, wholly unrelated conqueror is somehow more
justified in conquering them in turn?
This is different from a punishment for past moral wrongs, that wasn't the
purpose here.

Paul

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com> wrote:

> Paul B wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>    Who didn't it seem just to?  The Muslims, whom had slightly earlier
>>    conquered the place during the Fatah?
>>
>>
>> During the what?!  The only "Fatah" I know is a Palestinian faction, my
>> good anachronistic, sir.  Seriously now.
>>
>
> The faction is named after the earlier period, partly because it has
> connotations of the "good old days".
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah
>
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