Latin of the New Sun
David Duffy · 21 Jul 2008, 22:47
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From: David.Duffy at qimr.edu.au (David Duffy) Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:47:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: (urth) Latin of the New Sun In-Reply-To: <133476.14811.qm at web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <133476.14811.qm at web83711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807220836340.7001 at orpheus.qimr.edu.au> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, John Smith wrote: > > When Severian receives his sword, he says he had > learned enough of ancient languages to know that > "Terminus Est" means "This is the Line of Division." > (Shadow, XIV) A simpler translation would be "This > is the end." > > Is Wolfe making little jokes (showing that Valeria and > Severian don't understand the dead languages as well > as they think) or is there something deeper going on? > No, I think they are word games, that often have a depth to them. Wolfe delights in giving false etymologies, eg in _Peace_ for "brand new" and so forth. My hypothesis has been that he uses the same Shorter Oxford Dictionary as I do, so for example "apheta [L f. Gk. aphetes starter, sender off.] Astrol. = Hyleg. Hyleg...Astrol. The giver of life in a nativity" is funny, but the fuller definition of a hyleg by astrologers isn't. So in the case of "terminus" "2a Rom. Antiq. The god presiding over boundaries or landmarkers ... 3. A boundary, a limit rare L17...4b the point at which something comes to an end". David Duffy.
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