symbolism: Avern

Son of Witz · 13 Oct 2008, 18:51 · from 2008-October.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:51:55 +0000
Subject: (urth) symbolism: Avern
Message-ID: <W2343031742248151223923915@webmail39>

Thanks for that Mathew. great interview. very helpful
The bit about the Big Gnab has personal significance to me. I've always believed that the big bang and big gnab were the same event, viewed from different sides. I've always expected the change from the age of Iron back to the Age of Gold to be something on this level of cataclysm.
I'm very interested, also, in this area where science and mysticism meet.
Take the Sephiroth of the Kaballah, there are 11 Sephiroth (if you count the occulted one) and contemporary String Theory with it's 11 dimensions.
I'm neither a physicist or a kaballist, but it seems to have some synchronicity there.

This idea of a succession of universes was, to my first reading, the impetus behind the need for the heirogrammites to help restore Urth. Unless I'm remembering wrong it was so that their universe would eventually go through a similar Apocatastasis process, and require Ushas to help (re) create it.  That was all somewhat foggy to me on the first read though. But this quote does seem to touch on that, and could be an answer to the recent "what's so great about Ushas" thread.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Keeley [mailto:matthew.keeley.1 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 04:47 PM
>To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: (urth) symbolism: Avern
>
>Some very good posting going on here.
>Wolfe has mentioned scarabs before. From Paul Duggan's site:
>http://mysite.verizon.net/~vze2tmhh/wolfejbj.html
>
>Relevant quote:
>JJ: I don't know that I have any other questions. It is a universe in
>which angelic like things actually have physical control over the
>universal stars and suns. I noticed that you had scarabs in the great
>machine in Yesod. Severian goes through and sees that
>
>GW: Oh yeah, yeah.
>
>JJ: Scarabs push the suns. But that is a past world just in your imagination.
>
>GW: Yes, I was looking at what past universes might have been like
>really and that is how...I began with the idea of what is going to
>happen to us if we just keep going the way we are going and continue
>to live on the continent of Earth without ever really going into the
>sea or going into space and we just wait for the money to run out. The
>do nothing future and thinking about what that would be. And then I
>got into the idea of universal cycles. And decided that I would show
>that this might be a past cycle. Some physicists at least think that
>the Big Bang is eventually going to be followed by a Big Gnab in which
>the whole universe coalesces again which will be followed by another
>Big Bang which is sort of like a succession of universe as piston
>impulses in an internal combustion engine. I certainly don't have any
>great emotional investment in that idea but I do think it is a useful
>idea to play around with. Physics is coming nearer and nearer and
>nearer mysticism. It has been doing this now for over 50 years and it
>seems to me that is a fascinating thing that much too little attention
>has been given to.
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