Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis

David Stockhoff · 24 Nov 2008, 22:50 · from 2008-November.txt.gz

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From: dstockhoff at verizon.net (David Stockhoff)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:50:17 -0500
Subject: (urth) Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis
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>> (The world is lucky Wolfe doesn't want to found a new religion, like a
>> certain other (bad) sci-fi author did. He'd be dangerous!)
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> Ron Hubbard was an excellent writer. "Fear" is possibly the scariest book
> I have read.
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> I find that hard to believe, but I'll take your word for it. ;)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:21:41 -0500
> From: "John Watkins" <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis
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> Well, there's no general resurrection and no judgment.  It's not clear that
> there's victory over a demonic power.
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> And instead of serving as a genuine Last Day, it's just a hit of the reset
> button.
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> Other than that, I guess it's exactly like the Second Coming.  Which is to
> say it's not much like the Second Coming at all.
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> It's much more like the Flood.
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> On 11/24/08, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
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>> That's it exactly---Severian is the Executioner, or Harvester, of Urth. He dies and is resurrected, but that's a smaller part of his story. Christ will wield a flaming sword, but he hasn't yet, so that's a smaller part of his (so far). We think of him as promising Life, but that is impossible without his own Death; Severian is our Death, but he brings Life.
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>> They are complementary---almost mirror opposites. And yet ... what keeps this story from being a version of the Second Coming?
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>> (The world is lucky Wolfe doesn't want to found a new religion, like a certain other (bad) sci-fi author did. He'd be dangerous!)
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The absence of resurrection and judgment are fairly critical, aren't 
they? I suppose that would be evidence for the argument for Severian as 
Christian, not Christ, figure ... in fact, as you note, he's got a 
little Noah in him too.



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