Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis

Son of Witz · 25 Nov 2008, 06:28 · from 2008-November.txt.gz

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From: sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org (Son of Witz)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:28:38 -0800
Subject: (urth) Severian / Christ / Logos / Apocatastasis
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On Nov 24, 2008, at 10:08 PM, Jordon Flato wrote:

> That sounds about right, and from my discussions with SonOfWitz is  
> about where he is too.  Funny how bringing in religion tends to add  
> layers of confusion to discussions.

man, saturday night, after talking this stuff out with you I think I  
get the time loop stuff better.

just now I was thinking about this:

On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:56 PM, John Watkins wrote:
> Whether or not this is so, it does nothing to make Severian's cosmic
> reset any more like the Second Coming, which is not part of a cyclical
> history at all.

I hadn't really used the "Second Coming" term much, i don't think, but  
the two of you, J & J got me thinking about it.

it's NOT a second coming. it's a first.
Severian becomes the New Sun and brings the White Fountain ? talk  
about Comings? BEFORE he goes back in time and inspires/IS the  
Conciliator.
when he's in UrthHistory (I don't know the Ages clearly, I suppose  
it's Age of Myth) and lives as the Conciliator, it's AFTER his NewSun  
role, so it's technically Second.
So you're absolutely right that it's not really a second coming.

talk about twisting up the myth.

Severian is his success before the myth that anticipates his success  
is created.
Holy head spinning Amphisbaena time loops, Batman.
He will be the Conciliator come again, but he is the boy to the  
conciliators man.

~witz

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